Flea Market too inflexible?

Discussion in 'Ask Baldy, Blame AceRph' started by maloryII, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. maloryII

    maloryII ey brah

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    Fellas,

    The ADV Flea Market is one of the unsung gems of this site. Particularly the "Other" section in which on any given day you can find cars, washing machines, grandma's jewels, a jetski, and some smelly socks all within a few posts.

    I appreciate very much the work that the moderators put into killing spam and keeping the fora clean so that transactions are as safe and fluid as possible.

    At the same time I feel like the "zero tolerance" for comments in Flea Market threads hurts the community of the place. Why can't inmates make well-meaning comments about items others have for sale? Particularly interesting items can often elicit informative and entertaining responses from members. With the amount of moderation present in the Flea Market already I feel like we're not really at risk of being overrun by spammers from Serbia -- if someone wants to bump a thread because he/she likes that item, is that so wrong? The place has recently become completely sterile -- for better (no spam!) but also for worse ("Great car! I had one just like it... XX part failed at 20,000 miles; be sure to change XX and XX..").

    Thoughts appreciated!
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  2. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    Legitimate questions are always welcomed, but there is a Like Button for those who just want to say "nice car." Comments and questions from legitimate potential buyers are also welcomed. Bumping a thread to say "Too bad I just bought one" or "wish it was 2000 miles closer" just creates churn and could move another thread off the front page.

    Many sellers do not appreciate technical comments or advice about potential problems with a vehicle.
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  3. maloryII

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    I think that's the issue -- it's become entirely binary. If it's not a question, it gets moved. Period. Banal and even dumb questions (defined as questions that are clearly answered in OP) clutter and bump threads all day. But they're questions, so they get to stay.

    All I'm suggesting is that perhaps the Flea Market mods should be encouraged to use a bit of editorial judgment. ADVRider is not a corporate environment. Why treat the Flea Market that way?

    I think sellers and buyers should be on equal footing no? Sellers should be beholden to the goods they offer insofar as Inmates should be free to call out things that are obviously misleading and/or important for potential buyers to know (positive things too!) Again, I think the mods could do better in this regard.

    No one wants spam, endless bumping, vitriol or prattle-filled threads. I'm not advocating for a reduction in moderation, simply a better filter and a move away from our current trend towards sterility.

    Thanks for hearing me out! :thumb
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    barnyard Verbal tactician Super Moderator

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    I get what you are saying, but many of the 'free bumps' are entirely random. If only potential buyers posted in the FM, ads would stay on the front page for more than a day. That would be good for everyone, as not everyone gets attention.

    and the problem with posting detailed analysis on whatever, is that once a FM ad is expired, it is deleted and all the things that went with it. Much of that should go in the appropriate bike or equipment thread so that it is searchable and usable by others.

    It really is best if you are not a buyer, to use the 'like' button.
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  5. DADODIRT

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    Seems some of my well intended comments in the flea market have been punted lately.
    Nothing I haven't posted numerous times over the years here. Stuff like - beautiful bike, GLWS - .
    I'm not trying to rack up posts. And I wouldn't ever post my thoughts on a price or anything. Just giving a nice machine a bump.
    I guess I'll just stay out of the FM. I'm sure that's what the sellers want.
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  6. ozmoses

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    I recently had a question to clarify the specifics of the listing punted, which I thought odd.
    Then I noticed, along with the seller, that every question had been punted.

    I presume this means that any and all communication should take place via PM.
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  7. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    You have a Like Button to indicate your approval if you aren't a buyer.

    The front page of the FM is prime selling space. Comments like: "wow, just bought one of these" "GLWS" "Wish you were closer" and so on, bump a thread which pushes another thread lower.

    If you aren't a buyer, use the Like button or send a PM.
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    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    That seems odd. Tell me what thread it is, or which comments in HE you are referring to.
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  9. ozmoses

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    @Mr Cob had/has a truck for sale
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    I don't have a thread to reference, but I noticed this same thing about two months ago (could be longer ago...? Busy fall!)- it was an item in "other" I was interested in purchasing, and my question along with several others got moved off the thread.

    I also noticed this with the thread on Cobb's "toy hauler" but had not posted there.
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  11. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    Well guys, I read every comment in the FM prune thread in HE back to November 21st. I urge you to read a few weeks worth of those posts. There's not much there of any legitimate substance and just about all of it is a clear violation of the FM rules.

    I am very familiar with the Mr. Cob thread. Nice truck that few can afford to buy, which is probably why the questions weren't so much purchase questions, but more comments on how cool the truck is.
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    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    Posting that you don't see a price, when a price was there the whole time is very likely to get moved.
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  13. DADODIRT

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    Can you have numerous 'likes'?
    Sorry, just bustin balls.
    Happy New Year, Retro. And thanks for your attention....
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  14. szurszewski

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    Hey - it is a cool truck - hard not to comment on it (it's the internet equivalent of staring slack-jawed) ;)

    To clarify, I wasn't intending my comments as complaints - I think the flea market gives us all FAR more than we're paying for! (And not just because we're paying nothing...)

    I appreciate all the work it takes our volunteer moderators to keep the place as good as it is. I just sometimes notice discrepancies in what gets pruned and what does not, and I assume it's down to there being so much volume and the old idea of "you can't catch 'em all."

    In any case, thanks for all the work and for taking time to address the questions/comments in this thread.
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    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    Thanks guys, and I know I speak for all three of the FM mods @Retro @barnyard @CA Stu when I tell you that we are always willing to explain why an action was taken. Often times we'll let a comment go now and then because we are enthusiastic about some items as you are.

    The first guy who posts a "nice bike" especially after a lull in comments in a thread with an exceptional bike may be allowed to stay, but the others saying the same may be moved. It's not meant as an insult.
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    How, exactly, is this question clarifying the registration status a) not of any legitimate substance or b) a violation of the FM rules?:

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...t-in-a-fm-ad-3.1077318/page-387#post-33806902
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  17. CA Stu

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    What some FM commenters seem to forget is that every "GLWS" and "If only you were 2000 miles closer!" post bumps the thread and in doing so pushes someone else's thread off the front page, and that's not fair.

    I mean, I saw that museum quality BMW too, and thought "holy crap what a nice machine", but I just thought it. :D
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  18. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    Very likely it was not posted by the seller. Often information thought to be helpful can be incorrect, or unappreciated by the seller. It's generally preferred that the seller answer questions relating to their item.

    I am often asked to move comments from well meaning contributors by the sellers in a thread.
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  19. ozmoses

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    I do not understand your reply.

    I made no comment.

    edit: found it http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...rv-hauler-a-real-truck.1270757/#post-33807078

    From the ad:
    I can no longer locate the original ad.



    my question:


    The question,above, to the seller was asked by me; specifically, I asked the seller for clarification about the registration status listed in his ad which seemed confusing to me and, potentially, to others.

    The seller was more than open to the inquiry/clarification and was similarly surprised that it, along with all other questions, had been "punted".

    I was, therefore, left with the understanding that any/all questions were best conducted via PM, as I previously wrote.

    What am I missing?
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  20. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    I am trying to figure it out. Posts may have been moved by as many as four moderators going back that far. I'd like to give you an accurate answer, but I don't know if I have enough info or context to do so.
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