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  1. Mike Butt

    Mike Butt Agent Provocateur

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    Claim: The outcome of Washington Redskins football games has correctly predicted the winner of every U.S. presidential election since 1936.

    Status: True.

    Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2004]

    FOOTBALL + ELECTION

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    The Washington Redskins have proved to be a time-tested election predictor. In the previous 15 elections, if the Washington Redskins have lost their last home game prior to the election, the incumbent party has lost the White House. When they have won, the incumbent has stayed in power.

    This election year, that deciding game takes place on Sunday, October 31 ... vs. Green Bay.

    Go Pack!!!

    Origins: Our desire to understand and assert some control over the world around us is often manifested by our attempts to find predictive signs that enable us to prognosticate events — even when there is no seeming connection between predictor and event. Sometimes one natural phenomenon supposedly forecasts another, as in the belief that a groundhog's seeing his shadow on February 2 portends another six weeks of winter. In other instances the linkage is between affairs of mankind, as in the superstition that the winner of football's Super Bowl augurs that year's stock market performance (or vice-versa).

    A recent item of this ilk maintains that the results of the last game played at home by the NFL's Washington Redskins (a football team based in the national capital, Washington, D.C.) before the U.S. presidential elections has accurately foretold the winner of the last fifteen of those political contests, going back to 1944. If the Redskins win their last home game before the election, the party that occupies the White House continues to hold it; if the Redskins lose that last home game, the challenging party's candidate unseats the incumbent president. While we don't presume there is anything more than a random correlation between these factors, it is the case that the pattern has held true even longer than claimed, stretching back over seventeen presidential elections since 1936:
    On 30 October 2000 the Washington Redskins lost a Monday night game at home to the Tennessee Titans, 27-21, presaging a loss for the incumbent Democratic party. Since President Bill Clinton had already been elected to the constitutionally-mandated maximum of two terms in office, the 7 November 2000 presidential election pitted Democratic Vice-President Al Gore against Republican Governor George W. Bush of Texas. In the closest (and most controversial) presidential election since 1876, Governor Bush gained the White House by the slim margin of five electoral votes, thereby fulfilling the Redskin prophecy.


    On 27 October 1996 the Washington Redskins defeated the Indianapolis Colts at home, 31-16, predicting a win for the incumbent Democrats. Sure enough, in the 5 November 1996 general election, Democratic President Bill Clinton won re-election over his Republican challenger, Senator Bob Dole of Kansas.


    On 1 November 1992 the Washington Redskins lost to the New York Giants at home, 24-7, predicting a similar loss for the incumbent Republicans. As expected, in the 3 November 1992, Republican President George H. W. Bush lost his re-election bid to Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas.


    On 6 November 1988 the Washington Redskins edged the New Orleans Saints at home, 27-24, predicting a win for the incumbent Republicans. As President Ronald Reagan had already been elected twice, the 8 November 1988 election once again matched a sitting Vice-President, Republican George H. W. Bush, against a challenger, Democratic Governor Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts. True to form, Vice-President Bush emerged victorious.


    On 5 November 1984 the Washington Redskins bested the Atlanta Falcons in a Monday night home game, 27-14, predicting a win for the incumbent Republicans. The next day, President Ronald Reagan handily defeated his Democratic challenger, former Vice-President and Senator Walter F. Mondale of Minnesota, winning re-election with an electoral vote landslide.


    On 2 November 1980 the Washington Redskins were trounced at home by the Minnesota Vikings, 39-14, predicting a loss for the incumbent Democrats. As expected, on 4 November 1980 President Jimmy Carter failed in his re-election bid, losing to his Republican opponent, former California governor Ronald Reagan.


    On 31 October 1976 the Washington Redskins were spooked by the Dallas Cowboys in a Halloween Day home game, losing 20-7 and predicting a loss for the incumbent Republicans. Two days later, on 2 November 1976, Democratic Governor Jimmy Carter of Georgia unseated President Gerald Ford (who had been appointed Vice-President after the resignation of Spiro Agnew in 1973 and became chief executive in 1974 after President Richard Nixon also resigned).


    On 22 October 1972 the Washington Redskins edged the Dallas Cowboys, 24-20, predicting a win for the incumbent Republicans. The 7 November 1972 election resulted in the electoral vote landslide re-election of President Richard Nixon over the Democratic nominee, Senator George McGovern of South Dakota.


    On 27 October 1968 the Washington Redskins lost a close game to the New York Giants, 13-10, predicting a loss for the incumbent Democrats. Since President Lyndon B. Johnson had announced several months earlier that he would not seek another term as president, the 1968 election was a contest between sitting Vice-President Hubert Humphrey and a former Vice-President, Republican Richard Nixon. In a mirror of the Redskins game, the Democrats lost in a close contest (the two candidates were separated by a slim 0.6% margin in the popular vote).


    On 25 October 1964 the Washington Redskins beat the Chicago Bears, 27-20, predicting a win for the incumbent Democrats. As predicted, on 3 November 1964 President Lyndon Johnson (who had ascended to the White House after the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963) won a landslide victory over Republican Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona.


    On 30 October 1960 the Washington Redskins were pasted at home by the Cleveland Browns, 31-10, predicting a loss for the incumbent Republicans. President Dwight D. Eisenhower had already served two terms, so Vice-President Richard Nixon took up the Republican mantle against Senator John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts in the 8 November 1960 presidential election. Like the Redskins, the Republicans lost; unlike the Redskins, the Republicans made the contest a very close one. (Kennedy bested Nixon by a mere 0.2% margin in the popular vote.)


    On 21 October 1956 the Washington Redskins soundly defeated the Cleveland Browns at home, 20-9, predicting a win for the incumbent Republicans on 6 November 1956. And, for the second straight election, the Republicans and their standard-bearer, Dwight D. Eisenhower, prevailed over the Democratic nominee, Adlai Stevenson.


    On 2 November 1952 the Washington Redskins lost a squeaker to the Pittsburgh Steelers at home, 24-23, predicting a similar loss for the incumbent Democrats. President Harry S. Truman declined to run for re-election (he had already served eight years), leaving the field open for former Illinois governor Adlai Stevenson to stand against the Republican candidate, General Dwight D. Eisenhower. The Democrats' loss on 4 November 1952 was not nearly as close as the Redskins' had been.


    On 31 October 1948, the Washington Redskins walloped the Boston Yanks at home, 59-21, predicting a win for the incumbent Democrats. Two days later, In one of the most stunning political upsets in U.S. history, President Harry S. Truman (who had assumed office in 1945 when President Franklin D. Roosevelt died shortly after beginning his fourth term) defeated his Republican challenger, Governor Thomas E. Dewey of New York.


    On 5 November 1944, the Washington Redskins trimmed the Cleveland Rams at home, 14-10, predicting a win for the incumbent Democrats. And win the Democrats did, as President Franklin D. Roosevelt secured an unprecedented fourth term by defeating the Republican nominee, Thomas Dewey, on 7 November 1944.


    On 3 November 1940, the Washington Redskins thrashed the Pittsburgh Pirates (forebears of today's Steelers team) at home, 37-10, predicting a win for the incumbent Democrats. Likewise, Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt became the first (and only) three-term president as he thrashed Republican challenger Wendell Willkie of New York (a former Democrat who had never held high elected office) on 5 November 1940.


    Going back to 1936 puts us beyond the beginnings of the Washington Redskins, as that year the Redskins franchise was still playing in Boston. Nonetheless, their knack for foretelling the outcome of presidential elections was already in place. On 1 November 1936 the Boston Redskins downed the Chicago Cardinals at Fenway Park, 13-10, predicting a win for the incumbent Democrats. Two days later, President Franklin D. Roosevelt won his re-election over Republican Governor Alf Landon of Kansas.
    That is as far back as the streak goes. In 1932 the Washington Redskins were neither the Redskins nor a Washington team: they were the Boston Braves, and they played in Braves Field, which they shared with the National League baseball team of the same name. On 6 November 1932 they won at home against the Staten Island Stapletons, 19-6, a result that should have foretold a presidential victory for the incumbent Republican party. Neither the Redskins' team name nor their predictive powers were yet evident, however, as President Herbert Hoover lost to his Democratic challenger, Governor Franklin Delano Roosevelt of New York on 8 November 1932

    What do we make of all this? Nothing. We see it as coincidence, as evidence that anyone who tries long and hard enough can find apparent patterns in any collection of data. But for those who believe in this sort of thing, the Redskins' last home game before the 2 November 2004 election is a Halloween Day contest against the Green Bay Packers — Republican supporters will be rooting for the Redskins, and Democratic supporters will become Cheeseheads for a day.

    Last updated: 9 October 2004

    It's out of our hands now, no need for debate :wink:
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  2. Radical

    Radical Long timer

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    So thaaat explains why the 'Skins have played so poorly this year. And all the while, I thought Gibbs was just going senile. He's influencing the election. Shrub better bring this up in the debate. :lol3
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  3. Mike Butt

    Mike Butt Agent Provocateur

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    And Green Bay looked hot last night. Looks like the Skin/Packer game is a mirror of the elections, the battle of the losers :evil
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  4. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    I was wondering if you'd watched the same game I did! Then I saw the smilie... Green Bay and "hot" don't belong in the same sentence based on what I saw last night!

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  5. Komet

    Komet The Voice of Reason

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    Hail to the Redskins. :evil
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  6. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Fuck that! I'm a Cowboys fan. Have been since I was a youngun.

    I still miss Tom Landry's coaching.

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  7. nachtflug

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    god what a hoot this is. as someone poised to vote someone out as opposed to re-elect a jackass, and a redskin/football fan, things are looking..confusing.

    Packers lost at home a few weeks ago to the Bears. Not the end of the world, but it shouldn't happen. Giants beat them last week, at home, and the Titans pounded them so bad last night I believe it was the worst home loss in history at Lambeau.

    The Skins haven't exactly bin scorching the scoreboard either. They lost Sunday night at home to the Ravens, last week to Cleveland, in short, they're in an early season skid just like the pack.

    However in the NFL, most skids don't last forever in the era of parity. The Packers make the most sense to climb out of it. They've got the Hall of Fame QB. The Skins have bin spotty for years. A vert interesting scenario this is. I'll have to follow things even closer now.

    Very interesting. Of course it means nothing. There was a time when the Raiders owned Monday night. Now they suck on a regular basis. Plunkett to Marcus Allen...
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  8. Mike Butt

    Mike Butt Agent Provocateur

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    :rofl Nuchtflug for offical ADVRider sports commentator :freaky
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  9. nachtflug

    nachtflug infidel

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    3rd and long.
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    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    Sieg Heil.

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  11. Mike Butt

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    Week 8: Packers (3-4) vs. Redskins (2-4)
    Posted: Oct. 24, 2004

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    Brett Favre injured his left knee after a sack by Redskins LB LaVar Arrington during the Packers' 30-9 victory over Washington on Oct. 20, 2002, at Lambeau Field. Doug Pederson finished the game in Favre's place.
    Week 8: Packers (3-4) vs. Washington Redskins (2-4)
    When: Sunday, Oct. 31, noon. (CST).
    Where: FedEx Field, Landover, MD
    Television: Fox (Ch. 6 in Milwaukee)
    Radio: WTMJ, 620 AM Packers: Schedule | Roster | Depth | Stats
    Redskins: Schedule | Roster | Depth | Stats
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    What: Green Bay Packers (3-4) vs. Washington Redskins (2-4).
    When: Sunday, Oct. 31, noon. (CST).

    Where: FedEx Field, Landover, MD.

    Television: Fox (Channel 6) in Milwaukee and the Packers television network.

    Radio: Wayne Larrivee will call the play-by-play for the Packers Radio Network with Larry McCarren providing the analysis.

    Line: Packers by 2 1/2.

    Series record: Packers lead, 16-13-1.

    Last time they met: In Week 7 of the 2002 season, the Packers defeated the Redskins, 30-9, in Green Bay. Brett Favre hobbled off the field in that game after being taken down by Washington linebacker LaVar Arrington. Favre left in the third quarter with what was later diagnosed as a sprained knee. Ahman Green had the first three-touchdown rushing performance of his career, helping the Packers to their fifth consecutive victory. Green ran for 88 yards on 24 carries and scored on runs of 24, 2 and 8 yards. Washington quarterback Patrick Ramsey was sacked five times and fumbled three times.

    GameDay coverage: Packer Plus Online will provide continuous coverage of Sunday's game. Though NFL restrictions prevent cumulative play-by-play coverage, we will keep you updated throughout the game (just visit our main page during the game for complete links). See Preview for game advances and rosters and Review for the most comprehensive postgame coverage available anywhere, including audio reports, analysis, reactions and statistics.

    Live game audio: With the National Football League's launch of NFL.com Field Pass, the live audio play-by-play of all league games, including the Green Bay Packers, is available only with a subscription.
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  12. meat popsicle

    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    Game Day! :freaky

    Go Packers! :getiton
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  13. CA Stu

    CA Stu Steer with your face! Super Moderator

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    Fourth down, time to waffle....

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  14. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    If you aren't watching this game, it's time to start. +- 4 minutes left. Skins picked off GBay.
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  15. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    Oh Fuck. I'm superstitious.
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    Augie Nincompoop

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    Another good omen for Kerry Skins lose.
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    :lol3 Oh well. If it makes you feel any better, there's another streak going. Local schoolkids have a mock election the week before the real one. Their results have matched the eventual Presidential winner for years, not sure how long. Their winner last week was Bush.

    I'm sure there are bunches of such coincidental streaks out there, a few of which fall by the wayside each year, and a few more of which pick up another notch and become more notable - until they in turn are eventually toppled.
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  18. Retro

    Retro Just the Facts Ma'am Super Moderator

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    I enjoy the whole "comsic convergance" of these things. I know the Scholastic poll has been accurate in the past. They picked Dewey and Nixon as their only failures, but it's likely that Nixon acutally won in 1960.

    The Nickelodeon poll came out for Kerry.

    I've been enjoying the RealClearPolitics site. Lots of polls. Lots of views. I've been watching them tighten up in the last couple of days.

    Things look good for Salazar in CO, but they don't look so good for Daschle in SD.
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  19. meat popsicle

    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    Packers!

    If Bush wins now, we know for sure that he stole it. :nod

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  20. Mike Butt

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