Fork revalve and rebuilding Stillwell or Dicks?

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by CaptRick, Aug 2, 2014.

  1. MartiniUp

    MartiniUp Long timer

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    Kreft is a very very bright young man and a pleasure to work with. Many susp tuners don't have those qualities.
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  2. CaptRick

    CaptRick Amazing view every day!

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    One thing I will say about Dick's is that their phone presence is less than stellar. Every time I first got on the phone with them I felt like I was interrupting something. Once the conversation got moving it was better but the initial "hello" was sure lacking in sincerity IMO.
    His service time was fair, his questions regarding riding style, weight, typical riding terrain were all good. Costs seemed on par with the others. I haven't been able to ride the forks yet so I will hold comment for now on what I think about the quality of his work.
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  3. Dozer Dillon

    Dozer Dillon Been here awhile

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    Adam is also a top rider. Very fast and good technical rider. We used to ride with him years ago before he got so fast.:clap
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  4. enduro-ince

    enduro-ince dirtslave

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    factory suspension works in Montrose does great work as well. PM me if you want his contact.
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  5. CaptRick

    CaptRick Amazing view every day!

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    Well I got the new front wheel bearings installed, before taking on the rear wheel bearings I took it for a spin in the yard. Completely different bike with the re-valved forks! Felt great! Definetly a much more variable travel rate. Seems real stiff at the start and then really soaks up the bumps. Granted it was a very short test in the yard using some railroad ties and going from dirt to 2-3 inch rocks over the RR ties, threw a few 8 inch steps in as well. Have to work all this weekend so hope to get a true test in next weekend.
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  6. Gordy

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    bump to see whats working or not? :ear

    My 300 forks developed a "catch" so called up Kreft and after a nice talk with Adam sent them and the shock off yesterday.

    These are the OC XCW forks for reference.

    I'm pretty stoked to see what he can do. He is setting it up for rock garden technical riding and ignoring the whoop aspect of the deal for the most part.
    Slow and "trialsy" is what he is going to attempt. I'm just hoping that it doesnt totally throw off the set-up for the faster connectors.
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  7. jgbnm

    jgbnm Been here awhile

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    He setup mine more for Alcalde/Buckman desert stuff. Pretty happy how it feels I'm the rocks too.

    Posted by a way I don't really understand.
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  8. Itchin

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    Precision Concepts is KTM suspension king in my book.
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  9. CaptRick

    CaptRick Amazing view every day!

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    Overall I happy with Dicks racing but I wouldn't use them again, their phone skills really suck and when I got the forks back there was no information regarding what settings the forks were at. It wad all up to me to figure where I wanted the forks set. I guess that's ok in that I got to experiment but for 500 bucks a base line setting with an explanation would have been nice.
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  10. DirtDad

    DirtDad Green Chile Guru

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    Got my suspension back for the YZ from Kreft. The original springs were a little too stiff both front and rear. I talked with Adam. Informed him that this bike would be mostly desert off road, not much MX. He re-sprung and revalved both f/r. Also installed SKF seals. He also sent me a paper with the base line settings he set up the suspension with. I am pretty happy with the suspension so far. I am at the point where all I have to do is keep track of my settings and
    set them up for the type of terrain I will be riding. Small clicker adjustments make noticeable differences. I too want to send my 300's suspension to Adam, and set it up for super plush rocks and roots type terrain. Just not sure if I want to spend the money on the 05 300 or just get a new one!

    So far very happy with his service and more than likely will be sending him some more work soon.

    Capt: I too did not feel too comfortable on the phone with Dick's. It was a
    little awkward. Enough so that I did not send them off to him.
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  11. Silverbird

    Silverbird Been here awhile

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    So Kreft or Stillwell?
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  12. darmahman

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    Superplush in San Francisco is absolutely the KTM Master of masters !
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  13. SLOspeed

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    Unless you have a 690 Enduro. I've had my forks in there six times (including the entire bike twice, so they could test ride it), and they were not able to dial out any of the harshness. The stock forks were absolutely horrible over broken pavement, rocks, and washboard. The sixth iteration of SPS valving feels exactly the same as stock. I'm not not convinced that they even took the forks apart at all, they're that bad. This past weekend I rode with a buddy on a Husky 701 and we switched bikes back and fourth several times. By comparison, the stock 701 is light years better.

    To be fair, I think SPS has some good solutions for the older KTMs, like the 950/990, and the older dirt bikes. The newer split-valve forks or 4CS forks, not so much.

    I had good conversations with two people at Stillwell Performance this afternoon. They seemed to have a good understanding of the issues with stock split-valve forks. I'm sending them all of my suspension tomorrow. Will keep you guys updated.
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  14. Scoutin Wyo

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    I'm seriously considering ordering and installing the Del Saggio Ray kit from CSR suspension. My 4CS forks on a '14 300xc are like holding on to a jack hammer on rocky trails and this is after a revalve from SMS suspension.
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    I have heard nothing but good things about del saggio. One person I know who is really picky about suspension liked the del saggio above the ohlins inserts.
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  16. Gordy

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    Funny that this thread popped up. My 350's suspension should be arriving at Kreft right about now.
    He did my 300 a few years ago and it is amazing. I hope that he can do the same with the 4CS.
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  17. BISHOP

    BISHOP Roadracer goes Dirt

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    Got Kreft set up on 2 - '14 350xcf 4CS & '17 300xc AER. 100% happy with all results. Adam's customer service is always top shelf.

    '14 4CS were the worst forks ever put on a modern production moto. Kreft corrected that shit and they're pretty perfect.
    AER forks are pretty damn good stock. I sent them to Adam after about 60hrs to freshen them up and install better than OEM seals. Very happy with improved results.
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  18. enduro-ince

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    What did he charge for the AER fork service?
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  19. Gordy

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    :nod I had Adam do my 300 suspension a few years ago and I couldn't be happier. It just works well almost everywhere with no fiddling. He knows his stuff and apparently has some good help in the shop too.
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  20. Scoutin Wyo

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    How much is Kreft charging to fix the 4cs forks?


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