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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by G19Tony, Dec 5, 2012.

  1. EastSideSM

    EastSideSM Isn't that dangerous?

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    This. I see people all the time that don't seem too concerned they are riding in a car's blind spot and then are surprised when a car comes into their lane.
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    Y'all are welcome to feel or believe whatever you want. I'm certainly willing to grant some people live in areas where deer, or bad driving, are larger parts of the puzzle. But you double both of those numbers, and it's still bad riding that's the biggest concern.

    By all means, try to get drivers to be aware of motorcycles and keep your eyes open for wildlife- but let's not ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room: quite a lot of "motorcyclists" can't ride to save their lives.
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  3. dbg326

    dbg326 Been here awhile

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    Oh, in no way was i discounting the fact that the rider's competence is the primary factor in all of this. I just felt that the OP made it clear that the rider was taking responsibility for all that he could, and that the remaining risk is due in large part to others' driving behavior, hence the emphasis on this.
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  4. windmill

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    Thats the problem right there,
    A rider needs to take "responsibility" for all hazards, not just the ones they can control.
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  5. PhilB

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    I bolded the part of that statement that is relevant here. Sure, your greatest hazard is yourself if you're an idiot. Your hazard to yourself decreases drastically with prudence, training, experience, and gear -- all of which are under your control, and none of which are under anyone else's control. So the article referenced by the OP does not in any way "perpetuate the myth that a rider's biggest hazard is another vehicle operator". The author is talking to a person other than himself, and thus is communicating about hazards that are not himself. The top one of which is .... other vehicle operators.

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  6. PhilB

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    You missed the point of the article. He wasn't complaining about bad drivers; he was complaining about people who don't ride saying stupid shit.

    :rolleyes Good thing you put "responsibility" in quotes, because it isn't possible to actually take responsiblity for something you have no control over. You can (and should) take reasonable precautions against it, and that's the best you can do.

    None of which has anything to do with the original article, or his *one* line that if the non-rider he's talking to is really concerned about his safety, the best thing he can do is drive attentively. Which, indeed, remains true.

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