Free online route building programs

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by Kingsized, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. DaMonk45

    DaMonk45 I B Da Monk

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    If they ever get an app for a smart phone everyone else just as well give up cause this game is over.
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  2. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Yeah, the Furkot team is very good. I wish they would do a standalone Tablet/Phablet (Android/iOS) App so we could do trip planning offline using OSM maps but I don't think they want to go there.
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  3. scridercoach

    scridercoach Old crusty bast**d

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    Not nearly as high tech as anything already discussed, but for the person who wants a really simple mapping system and use it on their smartphone.

    Butler maps in conjunction with Bonnier publishing has put out Rever.co (not .com)

    It's basic, but you can do waypoints, then use the free phone app to track from there. You can create GPX files, but only if you upgrade. It will allow you to upload GPX files to the website and then you can again use the phone.

    Not high end, but decent for basic use. It will also track a ride for you, should you be meandering around. Works on Android and IOS.
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  4. Pointman0853

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    RallyNavigator.com.
    Create routes and download them to garmin files in gpx format..
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  5. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Is creating GPX ROUTE Data a new feature in Rally Navigator? I haven't used it in quite some time but I thought it only produced GPX TRACKS.
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  6. 2whlin

    2whlin Been here awhile

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    What happened to ridewithgps, use to be free to plan a route?
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  7. KentuckyRider

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    So far as I know there is still a free option for planing routes on RideWithGPS. More on that below.

    I've been using RideWithGPS for 4 years for bicycle riding. For bicycling there is nothing better.

    I've recently started using it for motorcycle riding and have been happy with the results.

    The basic site is free. It's been so long since I had the free account that I can't recall much about it. Except that it impressed me enough that I wanted to encourage the developers to keep up the good work and get to use even more features by upgrading. Here is the page that shows the difference in capability of the basic versus the paid accounts....

    http://ridewithgps.com/help/compare-plans

    I also give an honorable mention to GPSies.com. It is also good, particularly for being free (though they rightly ask for donations).

    One caveat: I've not tried Furkot yet though.
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  8. GreyZuk

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    Hey maybe this has been asked but when using several of these programs I'm running into a problem. I'm trying to plan a ride using roads that are currently closed for the winter (going over several Sierra passes) I'm not wanting to do the trip now, but in trying to plan the route, the programs won't allow me to place way points along roads that are currently closed. Is there a way to get any of these programs to ignore roads that are currently listed as closed? The two I've found to be the easiest to use are Furkot and the Harley Davidson Road Planner... both of which are using google maps it looks like.
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  9. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Furkot has a feature to help you route through these 'seasonally closed' roads. It's called ALTERNATE in the route PLAN entry. Google is adamant about not allowing routing data to be generated if you try to route through a 'seasonally closed' road during it's closure dates.

    OSM Maps on the other hand do not restrict this routing so Furkot uses OSM map data to provide a route path. Just select the route path that isn't going where you want it and press the ALTERNATE button - as below - and then click on the new route path to select it.

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    Cheers,
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  10. FenceJumper09

    FenceJumper09 Been here awhile

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    I have been using www.plotaroute.com and with some mild fiddling around it works pretty well!
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  11. ADVNH

    ADVNH Jim Siverts

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    This online GPS is awesome. http://hikearizona.com/map.php Route manager. Does about everything you can imagine and stores your files on the cloud. Share publicly or with your rider group. So many features and lots of tutorial videos on YouTube.
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  12. tonyjuliano

    tonyjuliano Grumpy Santa

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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned REVER yet - cause it's simply the best one out there, by a longshot. The free version gives route planning (in an excellent interface), plus the ability to track your creation via the smartphone app. This, in itself, eliminates the need of a dedicated GPSR for most people. You can also record a track using the phone app, and save it back to the web, and share with others. The free version also allows you to upload GPX or KML tracks created in other programs.

    But the real good stuff comes with the premium plan ($6 / month), which adds GPX export capability & offline maps for the phone app - along with the best feature, which is Butler Map data...

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    In the screenshot above you see some detail from the area around the Smokies. The different colored squiggly lines you see on the map correspond to the Butler data - which includes some of the best riding out there.

    The Butler data is separated into 6 types, as shown at the bottom of the screenshot - from left to right as "G1", "G2", "G3", "Lost Highway Rides", "Featured Dirt Rides" & "Paved Mountain Trail Rides". They describe each as follows...

    "G1" roads - the BEST segments - have steep climbs, tight switchbacks, deep canyons & million dollar views. In other words, the best asphalt out there.
    "G2" roads - described as BETTER segments - meander past lakes, criss-cross forests, and provide an experience you cannot get on any freeway. Think sweepers with plenty of elevation change and a views.
    "G3" roads - are listed as GOOD segments - they still contain twisty segments, but they don't have all the other criteria listed in the G1 & G2 types.
    "Lost Highway Rides" (the skull icon) - are roads that were once maintained, but now are crumbling in time, and usually lead to some forgotten remote destination.
    "Featured Dirt Rides" (MC Icon) - are generally suitable for big adventure bikes. Gravel, 2 track & easier single track.
    "Paved Mountain Trail Rides" (green Icon) - are basically remnants of the past. Formally these were paved, but mostly single-laned roads that are no longer formally maintained.

    You can toggle visibility of each road type within the app.

    It's really excellent, and for the measly $60 / year - the Butler data is awesome.

    Check out all the features at this LINK.
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  13. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I think the Rever folks are doing a good job with their applications. But, just exactly what is it 'the best' at doing?

    Rever and it's Mobile App are rather basic unless you pay the $60/yr subscription fee - and they really don't apply here since the OP expressly noted "FREE".

    As for the "Roads" database, I'd be quite surprised if you find one that is not in one of the 'Free' crowd-sourced databases that Furkot has access to - as seen below...

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    And, adding any of those roads to your Trip Plan is just a click away. Export to one of many formats - Smartphone or GPSr device.
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  14. tonyjuliano

    tonyjuliano Grumpy Santa

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    The Butler data is far superior to any of the crowd sourced stuff, IMO. I've used the crowd sourced stuff for many years now, and the problem is that it is totally subjective. One person's "gnarly-wicked good road" is another's "snooze-fest" - way too often I have found.

    What makes the Butler stuff so good is that its all been proven out by professional riders - against a set of formal criteria. This method makes the results much more accurate and consistent. I've yet to ride a documented road that was not exactly what they reported - I can't even begin to say that about the crowd sourced stuff.
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  15. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    A subjective view of one aspect of Planning - and that feature is only available from a 'For Fee' application. If that is what makes REVER 'the best' Trip Planner, it doesn't belong in this discussion about Free online Trip Planners.

    Keep in mind that you may identify with Bulter's (REVER) criteria for classifying roads but those "professional riders" are just riders - but, if you identify with their classifications I can see why you'd pay for it. Finally, I think you might have missed the point of crowd-sourced and rated road info - 500 'regular' riders all saying the same thing about a road's features would seem to be pretty consistent. Granted, sometimes the lesser traveled roads may be as you suggest.
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  16. tonyjuliano

    tonyjuliano Grumpy Santa

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    In my experience (and totally my opinion - of course), out of a pool of "500 regular riders", only about 5% possess the requisite skill and technical ability to make an accurate assessment in this regard. The rest just skew the results.

    So, lets just agree to disagree.
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  17. DaMonk45

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    Simple reason is Rever costs money.
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  18. tonyjuliano

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    Okay, so this discussion has prompted me to have a fresh look at Furkot. I had looked at this, when it was relatively new to the scene, and they have improved a lot since then.

    But...

    In my opinion, Furkot is much more of a TRIP planning tool than a ROUTE planner. If you like to plan your trips out in advance, with a preconfigured itinerary, it's pretty good. You get your gas stops, lodging booked and all that.

    Problem is I never plan a motorcycle trip like this. I don't want to know where I'll be stopping in advance, nor do I want to have to stick to a strict itinerary of where I will be staying each night. For me, travelling via motorcycle is about the quality of the route and adventure of the unknown.

    I just want the best roads possible, laid down in a continuous track. I'll decide while on the road when its time to stop for the day, or be free to detour at anytime if something good strikes my eye. Managing fuel and accommodations while on the fly is one of the key differences between a trip and an adventure, IMO.

    Not trying to "diss" Furkot - its certainly great for some people - but it takes time to plan out all this stuff in advance, time that I would rather spend out on the road - figuring it out for myself.

    I don't want to be confined by any set itinerary, or be locked into advanced booking of accommodations. To me, it's the journey - not the destination.
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  19. scridercoach

    scridercoach Old crusty bast**d

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    I mentioned Rever 9 posts earlier than your mention of it. The free portion of Rever is not bad, but has a limited waypoint total. It's not a bad free program, though. It does also track you, so you can go look at what you've done if you're just "freewheeling". However, the added utility that you pay for, does make it a moot point for this thread.....as it's not free. Regardless, it has good function.

    Furkot has turned out to be a great tool in my arsenal of trip planning. It's quite useful in my opinion. You can turn off all the extras, like lodging and fueling. It's not locking you into anything. You just have to play with it a little bit and set it to your liking. It becomes a "route planner" without much difficulty.
    Dig deeper into the Furkot settings and you'll see what I mean.
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  20. tonyjuliano

    tonyjuliano Grumpy Santa

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    If you put data on a SD card, it has to go into a folder named "GPX" for the Garmin to see it.
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