Front Range Western Suburbs? (Golden, Applewood, Arvada)

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by error cooled, Jul 31, 2017.

  1. OrangeDreamCycler

    OrangeDreamCycler .......Explorer of Options.......

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    Not me.
    Today, I Had to pack a burrito. No cafe within an hour.
    Rode the 2-stroke about 75 miles in
    Northern New Mexico. Didn't see another soul
    except on the road to get there.
    200 miles south, they nailed a Vato to a tree.
    Gotta love Nuevo mehhico.
    Saw a shit ton of elk. No Vatos. Life is fuckin great livin in the Boonies.
    YMMV.
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  2. AviatorTroy

    AviatorTroy Long timer

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    Allow me to, if I may, share my recent experiences for the original poster... I fly for a large aircraft management company and in January was basically transferred to another airplane from Florida to Denver Centennial. Not that I didn't try to make that happen, my wife was born and raised in Denver and it was a great opportunity for our family. We sold our house and went head first into our new situation. Well, to make a long story short we probably looked at 40 houses, made very competitive offers on 5, and finally got one. Oh and did I mention it was 4 times more expensive than the one we just sold? Just a reality check, you need to have a real open mind when coming into this market, because having a laundry list of requirements for where you want to live, rail line,, etc,, it ain't going to happen unless you have a lot of time and patience. You take what you can get, within reason of course. Luckily, we really wanted to live in Castle Rock and that did work out, but what an ordeal.

    On the flip side, we are 15 minutes from dirt roads and plenty of trails in Rampart Range if you want to just kill a couple hours riding. There are single track mountain bike trails literally off of my back yard. Every week I get to take my family camping and hiking. It is a very, very good life. But it is not as easy as walking into the Denver area and thinking you are just going to live wherever you want and everything is going to be exactly as you imagine. But if you can pull it off, it is still one of the most wonderful places I could imagine living, and trust me I've been all over the country and most of the world..

    Except for the traffic. Stay away from I 25 and 70, and don't try to go anywhere on the weekends, it's even worse than rush hour!
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  3. dgreen2321

    dgreen2321 Adventurer

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    Population growth has fallen from 1.7% annually in 1960 to 0.7% in 2016. No, we are not getting "overcrowded", it's just that people are moving to urban areas and out of rural or suburban areas.

    The average age that a female has her first child has also dramatically fallen. Teen pregnancies are down significantly since 1960.
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  4. dodgerdodger

    dodgerdodger Acountabilabuddy

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    Hope you have a shit load of $$. Everything is very expensive in CO right now. West side is great, I live in Westminster about as far NW as you can get. Great access to Boulder, Coal Creek and Clear creek for access to the mountains.
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  5. Rodzilla

    Rodzilla Little short for a Stormtrooper

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    The word I was given was that AppleJack, who for years sold themselves as "the largest liquor store west of the Mississippi" is moving into the Walmart space that was just vacated. Guessing with "Tipsy's" and "Molly's" etc... they wanted to step their game up.

    And yes, the Arvada Walmart Superstore has supplanted the Applewood store. Also remember the original location for Cablea's was to be in the open area on the west side of I-70 (owned by Coors/zoned commercial), CDOT put in in something like 30 million for interchange improvements, but the NIMBYs of Applewood killed that because "Oh noes, they sell guns there!" (Yes CSM), and "that's where we walk our dogs!"
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  6. TooFast

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    Thanks Rodzilla, as always good info, the story I had heard was that Applewood wasn't giving "enough tax/free incentives (ransom) for Cabella to build in Applewood. ( vs Morrison and Lakewood currently) Coors was cool about it.

    People were used to driving to Nebraska for a Cabella store, so way north of Denver on I25 probably suited them fine. Down side is that Appelwood and Jefferson County lost out on $ millions of $

    Good for Applejacks, been buggy bashing there for years, needed traffic lights at the aisle corners
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  7. TooFast

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    :fpalm:bore
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  8. doc_ricketts

    doc_ricketts Thumper jockey

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    Me too say:good for Applejacks, best liquor store I have been in.
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  9. ROAD DAMAGE

    ROAD DAMAGE Long timer

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    I LOVE APPLEJACKS!!!
    Here's why:

    My wife and I had stopped by AppleJacks several years ago.
    We were on the way from DIA back to Steamboat. (we'd been out of the country for a few weeks.)
    We ended up with a couple of full carts of beer and wine.
    At the checkout we pulled out a credit card and were told ....................... "I'm sorry but we don't accept credit cards." :eek7
    We didn't have enough cash with us, or a checkbook to pay for all the booze. So we were going to have to put most of it back on the shelves.
    The manager (or maybe one of the owners?) came over and asked "what's going on?"
    The cashier told him that we didn't have a check or enough cash and that we had thought we could pay with a cc.
    He asked, "Where are you guys from?"
    "Steamboat Springs" we said.
    He said "You know what, just go ahead and take the beer and wine with you, and send me a check after you get back home." :brow
    No kidding!
    We asked "do you want us to give you a cc number and let you photocopy a driver license?"
    He said "nope, I trust you .......... just send a check once you get home and get settled."

    We left with all that product .................. and he didn't even know our names!
    I love that kind of stuff as I grew up in a very rural setting and that kind of stuff was the norm.
    But not in Denver!
    We now stop and shop there about every time we pass by, and have for a lot of years.
    That kind gesture made us customers for life. :thumb

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  10. doc_ricketts

    doc_ricketts Thumper jockey

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    Yes, that is one reason I liked AppleJacks. They are real people who want to be friends with their customers. I never bought liquor anywhere else except quick beer pickups close to home.
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  11. dgreen2321

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    Did those facts blow your mind?
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  12. bmon

    bmon Go Thattaway

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    Saw this and thought of this thread:

    http://www.imfromdenver.com/somebody-hacked-this-colorado-road-sign-with-a-hilarious-message/

    "The messages first appeared Monday Aug 7th, on I-70 heading east.

    “Welcome to Colorado. Please turn around and go back to your states.” the sign read.

    The sign was perplexing for Denver commuters, accustomed to more benign instructions about construction projects and road closures from the electronic road signs dotting the highway on their morning drives to work."



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  13. Proveick

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  14. Rodzilla

    Rodzilla Little short for a Stormtrooper

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    Fake News/Photoshop. (and of course the story says "I-70 heading east from Denver" yet the picture is looking west.)

    Not that I don't agree with the sentiment.
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  15. error cooled

    error cooled anything but asphalt

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    Still reading along - the color and commentary is helpful.

    We will be spending the last week of September checking out neighborhoods around Denver.

    However... we are then heading up to Boise for a few days to feel it out.Seems like a greater metro area of 600K might be a bit easier to live with. We shall see...
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  16. _CJ

    _CJ Retrogrouch

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    Can't believe I'm saying this, but you might want to take a look at Colorado Springs if you don't have to live in the Denver metro area. You can buy a house all day in your price range in the nicest neighborhoods in town, and be very close to trails. I live in such an area, about three miles or so from downtown, and I have a dirt roads and single-track OHV trails right out my back door. It's starting to get crowded down here too, but nothing like the insanity of Denver metro. We're more like Denver was twenty years ago now.

    Check this out: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/...Springs-CO-80906/13669121_zpid/?fullpage=true
    1.5 acres, quiet secluded area, walking distance to national forest and non-motorized trails, dirt roads and OHV trails within a mile, close to downtown.....don't tell anyone though. :lol3


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  17. wakewop

    wakewop Hucker

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    Perfect description of Co Springs. 20 years behind denver. Lol.
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  18. _CJ

    _CJ Retrogrouch

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    and that's just the way we like it.

    Next time you find yourself stuck in traffic, taking your car for a smog check, driving two hours to ride your motorcycle, wondering how much higher housing prices can get....think about the picture below, and how it only took me 30 minutes to get there from my house on my plated bike, with most of that time spent on OHV single-track, and how there are trails that go all the way to the top of the mountain furthest off in the distance.

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  19. lefty15

    lefty15 Been here awhile

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    I noticed that you said you would consider Evergreen / Conifer. I live in "Evergreen," but the other Evergreen--Clear Creek County off of Highway 103 10 miles above the Evergreen Parkway. I'm fortunate that I work from home, have a flexible schedule, so I can make accommodations to avoid the cluster fuck of traffic that comes up the scenic route that is the only access to Echo Hills / Bergen Park Estates. I don't ride on weekends in the summer and early fall. Too much of a risk / frustration. If I do ride, I stay FAR away from the centerline.

    Weekdays, I can get out and ride and its great.

    I'm also a trail runner and can leave from my house and connect bunches of trails to do 30+ mile runs. With the exception of the parking areas near some trail heads and on the main arteries, I see few others. Last weekend, I did a long run of 7+ hours and didn't see a single human being.

    Life at 9,200 feet requires some getting used to, but I'm also on a non-maintained road for a small bit and sometimes we have to wait for the plows to do their thing on the main routes before getting out. (Or we have to dig out the top of our road after the plows seal us back in.) We also have a high-clearance 4WD vehicle for times when we have to get out no matter what or when. We used to live in Manhattan and had no car at all, so while our housing expenses are low, our vehicle expenses are higher--two vehicles, two sets of tires, etc. A tradeoff I was happy to make.

    Realestate rush fever has set in up here as well. Houses on the market for insane amounts of money given all of the above. Quality / ease of life up here takes a toll and there's no way I'd pay front range prices for a mountain property. I'd take 10% to 20% off any asking price for comparable square footage--at least. If you're patient prices will come down and some semblance of sanity will take hold--at least up here. Don't know the rest of the market that well and would likely only consider anything with a Golden address. Lots of spots similar to up here with Golden addresses just not in town Golden. Jefferson County taxes are a factor of 2 to 3 times Clear Creek county.

    Here's a link to a house just down the road from me:https://www.trulia.com/property/3271997771-129-Martin-Dr-Evergreen-CO-80439. We live in a smaller home than this one, pay less in taxes a year than most people pay per month, get very little for our tax dollars since we don't have kids.

    That home has been on the market since the beginning of spring--which up here means after Memorial Day--and as far as I can tell has had VERY few people inspecting the property. As you can see, they had to drop the ask by $50,000. Still high, but getting close to reasonable.

    Basically, you have to really want to be up here. Depending upon the location of employment the commute can be okay or a killer. Have a good friend who commutes from here to the tech center. Why? Because when he gets home it is quiet. Because the homes are carved out of the woods and unless you're a voyeur, you can't see any of the other houses nearby. If you don't want to talk to anybody, you don't have to. If you need anything, people will go out of their way to lend a hand.

    We are an hour from DIA when we select flights that don't put us on the road at the worst times. If you use your brain and plan strategically, life up here, and in this area generally, is amazing. If you're a dumbfuck you get fucked. Not much different than most places in that regard.
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  20. Rodzilla

    Rodzilla Little short for a Stormtrooper

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    Talking to my wife last night she had heard AppleJack is not moving. Who knows at this point. Maybe they'll let me use it for cheap? I could use some garage space.
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