Fuel in a bag?

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  1. señormoto

    señormoto Supermoto Abuser

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    Here's the deal - I want to carry extra fuel on my 950 but I don't want to spend the $ on the aqualine tanks, or carry around the tour tank since that would kill my top storage box on the back of the bike.

    So I found these: http://www.funrcboats.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=IVTANK1000

    But it's only 33oz and that would require ~8 bags for 2 gallons which would be expensive as well as a hassle.

    So... what are the alternatives? I was thinking a camelback bladder 110oz or MSR Dromedary http://www.msrcorp.com/hydration/dromedary.asp - they come in 10 liters.

    Will gasoline eat/destroy a camelback or dromedary bladder? Will the gas get contaminated by the polyurethane?
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  2. señormoto

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  3. Zen Slug

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    read the angola thread in ride reports. there was a bit of a hijack there regarding fuel bladders that had some links. if you live in the u.s.a. and are interested in putting together a group buy of 1 or 2 gallon heavy duty turtlepac fuel bladders you can start a thread in the vendor forum and sign me up for a pair:deal


    more links:
    Carrying extra fuel
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233889&page=5
    http://www.swiftmarine.com.au/cells1001.htm
    http://www.imtra.com/product/pumps_tanks/nauta_holding_tanks/
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  5. Poolside

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    Yes. Yes. Polyurethane isn't compatible with Gasoline.

    Polyethylene on the other hand is just fine. I mean, if your heart's set on a flexible bladder.

    This is the 3+ quart/filled-to-the-brim capacity of 115.98oz/3.43L
    http://www.rei.com/product/626195
    http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/nalgene_cantene_water_bottle_3L_wide.html

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    Also, if you check www.nalgene-outdoor.com you can get a material datasheet for the above product. The bag and cap are Polyethylene, but you should put your mind at ease about that, it's your gas.


    210oz / 6L
    http://www.platypushydration.com/product_detail.aspx?ProdID=4

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    If I remember, the Platypus bags and caps are also Polyethylene, I had a material data sheet at one time. Send them an email and ask. And ahh, don't mention the G-word.


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    That's great news since I already have the platypus bags. Time to do some testing :clap
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    can anybody tell me an approximate price for that 12 liter bag? do they make a smaller size as well? i was thinking that a pair of 1 or 2 gallon bladders would fit my needs perfectly. 12 liters is around 3 gallons, if my math is correct.:ear



    i do like the look of the kolpin hard cans mounnted on the 950 luggage racks too, however:deal
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    Gasoline pound for pound has more explosive power than dynamite...is that true?
    Would you carry fused dynamite around in a plastic sack on your motorcycle?
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    Not true. Dynamite contains fuel and oxidizer, it will explode underwater, or in a vacuum. Gasoline in liquid form cannot burn.

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  11. Poolside

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    What are you trying to say Bill?

    One pound of gasoline, mixed with 14.7 pounds of air, has the explosive power you are talking about.

    In liquid form, you can throw a match into it and it extinguishes the match. Fireman Bob maybe didn't come to your elementary school and show you that.

    Wait, do you think gas stations can blow up too?

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    I think he's referring to jet fuel and the terrorist thing for 9/11. Which has NOTHING TO DO WITH CARRYING GAS ON MOTORCYCLES.

    TROLL!!! TROLL!!! TROLL!!! :lol3

    Now, back to the topic. Yes I would carry gas in a plastic bag that can hold it correctly. Who makes such things is the topic.

    Would I carry dynamite around on my bike in my pelican luggage? Yes, because I'm not also carrying blasting caps along with it. wtf dude. where do you come up with this nonsense. :huh
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  13. VelvtRide

    VelvtRide i can haz a motrsykle?

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    In the ToolKit Thread, hilslamer posted using a mylar bladder for fuel. Here's the post... scroll halfway down.
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    The cheap, red plastic 2gal fuel containers that can be found at most mass merchandise stores are shouting from the high wall, "You really think you can kick our ass, do you?"

    You can flavor something, repackage it to no end, call it different names, put creative steekers on its container; write glorious things about how its new, different and better, have a punk rap whatever loser band of idiots endorse it, promote it as a sexual aid, etc.......
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  15. Monty_Burns

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    I've seen some pics on the web of a couple of 950's in Africa with Kolpin Jr's. attached to the crash bars up front. I'd be worried about the wind drag they'd have as well as the ungangly width. I wouldn't worry about crashing so much because a 950 without crash bars/covers slides on its fuel tanks anyway. :1drink :hair Chances are they'd get ripped from their mounts immediately anyway.

    I've also seen Kolpin Jr's hung from the bottom of panniers. The older Kolpin Jr. fits neatly inside of the plastic H-B panniers. The new one should fit as well, but I cannot vouch for it.

    I've just strapped "Blitz" $5 gas cans from Wal-Mart on the back seat before. If I needed mucho gaso more often than, well, never... I'd probably look for something more trick like Kolpin's. But Kolpin's are not cheap. Of course, you can't put a price on hualing enough fuel, safely.

    Somewhere I've seen a Chinese army surplus fuel bladder in olive drab. I think they held about 5 gallons, but I'm not sure. I cannot find them anywhere now. That'd be great for hauling the extra fuel only when you need it.

    I like Hilslamer's collapsable bag. If the gas station attendant looks-up when you are filling it, they're likely to shut your pump off. Still, I'm going add one to my kit the next time someone treats us to coffee at work.
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    The coffee bag material is fine for the gasoline, but the rubber valve closure may not be compatible.

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  17. VelvtRide

    VelvtRide i can haz a motrsykle?

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    I was skeptical about it first and asked him later on in the thread. If you search them out, he's explained how well they really do work.
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    I have no doubt that it would work in a pinch. I was refering more to those warning stickers you'll see around gas station about only using "approved containers" to purchase gas.

    You get a safety-crat behind the counter, some closed circuit TVs, and you'll be buying one of their over priced red plastic jugs in no time. This is after they switch on that "Charlie Brown's Parents" loud speaker to say something like, "Pump 7 blah blah wah wah ba blah blah." If your lucky, your Starbuck's fuel bag will be more than half-full by this time. :rofl
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  19. bmwktmbill

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    Matt,
    If you get hit from the rear or just crash hard carrying a bag of gasoline and it ruptures you and your machine are going to be covered with gasoline rapidly vaporizing on a hot exhaust and engine and you.
    Why do you think cars blow up when the gas tanks rupture in a wreck?.

    I don't even like to carry fuel in approved containers in the back of my pickup or the trunk of my car or the back of my Jeep.
    Not being aware of the danger is a sign of ignorance IMHO.

    Ralph Nader originally established his reputation as a consumer advocate on just this issue but it was gas tanks and autos.

    http://www.google.com/search?source..._enUS247US247&q=nader+and+exploding+gas+tanks
    (see the article on Ford Pintos).

    After you crash and rupture the bag or plastic jug of gas, all it takes is a spark and you are toast.
    Think about it, your engine is running.
    That running engine is your blasting cap.

    Have you ever crashed hard or been hit, Matt?
    you can take it from me, all hell breaks loose.
    The last thing you need in the mix is a couple of gallons of loose gasoline.

    BTW, I don't believe jet fuel is as explosive as gasoline.
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    I'm going to post this and hope (against hope) that this thread doesn't turn into a "you safety nazis get out of my gas bag!" fest.

    There is a very real safety concern when carrying gasoline. bmwktmbill is absolutely correct about that. His mention of cars blowing up is somewhat misleading, since true explosions involving automobiles are incredibly rare. I think we'd do well to not argue about that point, but to recognize that gasoline burns hot and fast when it goes up. THat's the safety concern: if you crash and spill gasoline you've just become the wick to a pretty serious torch. It may not light, but even then you run the risk of serious chemical burns from the gasoline.

    There's a reason that approved containers exist. I don't mean to deny that people all over the world have, and still do, carry gasoline without incident or trouble in non-approved containers, but there's no doubt that using unprotected bags exposes the rider and those around that rider to some serious risks. Be aware of the risk to yourself and to others before going that route, please.
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