Actually I started this thread to chronicle the progress of a pile of discarded Reflex parts into a (somewhat) competitive Twinshock Trials bike. The initial build is here http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549707&highlight=Outright+Junk . The name came from my buddy that had a broken-in-half Reflex that was destined for the junkman that I drove 80 miles to grab one cold December morning. I had loaded the wretched thing (it was bad!) into the back of my truck just as the scrap man drove up. When I had talked to my buddy about the bike a couple of days before, I had asked him if there was enough there to get started on the project. He replied "Hell no. Everything in that pile (where the Reflex had been discarded) is nothing but outright junk, ha ha!" The name stuck. I used the engine and wheels off of that donor for OJ.