G650X-Moto conversion to Enduro/Dual-Sport

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by WNDPWR, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Kiwi Tinkerer

    Kiwi Tinkerer Ross

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    What are you going to do with your old wheels. I want to go in the other direction. I am looking for a set of road wheels for road trips and retain my dirt wheels for dirt riding.
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  2. StudentOfTheGame

    StudentOfTheGame Sophmore ADV Rider

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    I'm keeping them and putting some semi-slick road tires on them. This is my sport bike and my dirt bike! When all is done, it will take me about 10 minutes to switch my dirt bike into my track bike.
    [EDIT] - and, as mentioned above, the XMoto wheels probably won't work on an XChallenge... completely different axles, hubs, brakes, sprockets, etc.
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  3. theunionjack

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    How big a pile o cash we talking here? Have been dreaming along these lines for a while... Very interesting project, great legwork here!
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  4. StudentOfTheGame

    StudentOfTheGame Sophmore ADV Rider

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    I hate to quote prices for someone else's business, but you can expect something around $2k, ±$500, depending on options.

    I upgraded a few bits, and got a bunch of extras (KTM Wave rotor and sprocket, color) but I also used some modified KTM and F650 hubs so they didn't have to mill new ones from raw aluminum.

    A lot of this was done differently because mine was the first try, and some if it was comped due to the 3 month + wait. By the time I get tires and tubes, I will be looking at very close to $2k.

    Unfortunately, I had a rough winter financially, so tires and tubes will probably wait a month or two, and I also want to find someone who can fabricate mounts to raise the front fender a few inches. I like the low fender better than the bill that most dirt-bikes and a lot of adventure bikes have, so I'm trying to keep the look.
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  5. WNDPWR

    WNDPWR FarmRider

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    I was quoted a price of $1400 for the bare bones conversion where I kept my brake disc so that I could use the ABS ring on either set of wheels.

    This price included Excel wheels and custom machined hubs among other things.

    The guys at Woody's were awesome. I sent them my Xmoto wheels to make the measurements but when I had to back out of the deal because of a relocation to Europe they sent me my kit back free of charge.
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  6. theunionjack

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    Thanks for the info guys. Beautiful wheels, maybe in time my new baby will have some too :evil

    Big plans for the plastics yet? It looks like XCh, g450x, Acerbis turn out pretty well for fenders. still looking for something one off myself...

    Will fork guards other than OEM fit over I wonder?
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  7. noisytoys

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    Maybe a F800GS frontfender should hook-up nicely with the fork.
    Better airflow to the rad + the lowered Xmoto lamp mask makes it difficult for a raised fender.

    the speedo ring in the rear wheel is missing, does it need to be custom made?

    Are you using the Xmoto front disc, and the calliper is clearing the spokes? 18/21 rims?

    Get a Scheffelmeijer bashplate, he`s got one which is compatible with the tubing already on the bike, and you could jack it up safely!

    I want to be able to switch my Xmoto to Xcountry wheels and back so following this thread!

    Noisy
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  8. StudentOfTheGame

    StudentOfTheGame Sophmore ADV Rider

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    Wheels, with tires, are on the bike!!!

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    Doesn't appear to be any clearance problems, they seem to fit fine.

    To answer a few of the questions:
    Plastics: I plan on having extensions fabricated so I can mount the stock fender about 3" higher.
    Speedo: They couldn't (didn't) make this ring for the rear, he said it would cause the rear ABS to fail, but the speedo should work off of the front. I stripped the rear axle nut, so I haven't had a chance to test ride yet and confirm. If I wanted to wait another 2-3 months they may have been able to modify the hub to make it work.
    Front Disk: Everything is stock sized XMoto parts, it clears with no problem.
    Bashplate: Bought a spare XChallenge one from a swap meet, works great.

    Honestly, my biggest issue is going to be the kickstand... Yet another part I will need to modify or replace when I switch wheels.
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  9. noisytoys

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    Nice!

    Do think its the rear ABSrotor which sends the speedo signal, but if that is a standard Xch disk used you should be able to put on the (flat) Xchallenge ABS rotor :scratch

    How may teeth are on the rearsprocket?, was thinking to go for a 49er to compensate the 16 front.

    Horrible expensive but it fits the Xmoto headlight is this frontfender

    Please do make more detailed pics of the fronthub and brake solutions and the clearance of the calliper and the spokes.

    Noisy
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  10. McQuaid

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    This project has sold me, im doing the same to my XMoto now, wether my wallet likes it or not, how are you finding it?? bike handling on off road???? please, use detail as i want to know everything
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  11. StudentOfTheGame

    StudentOfTheGame Sophmore ADV Rider

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    OK, more info on the project (yes, it's still a project, not a bike yet...)

    Front ABS and Speed sensor are not functional... noisytoys was correct. Not sure about the disk, can anyone provide more info on that?

    Front brake clearance was not quite perfect, the spokes were scraping paint off the caliper. Ground about .5mm off of the back of the caliper after talking to Woody's and a local bike mechanic. Basically took the paint off, and it clears now.

    On the sprockets I matched the XChallenge stock settings, I didn't want to go too low to start with, until I get a feel for it.

    Still thinking about fender solutions, I would like some way to hold the brake line so it isn't swinging around, it used to be attached to the front fender, but with the USD forks it's not easy to find a good mounting spot.

    The handling is very twitchy, the narrow front with the XMoto's already unstable handling makes it a very nervous bike at any speed, a steering damper may be needed. I am also fighting with the wiring on the turn signals for the fender eliminator, they keep shorting and the resistors aren't working... I'm getting frustrated with this project now.

    On that note, anyone want to make an offer? If someone has the time, money, and expertise to work on the wiring, fabricate a fender solution, fix the speedo disk issue, and put a damper on it, it will be an awesome bike... that person just isn't me.
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  12. noisytoys

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    You are not that far off yourself!

    Brake line; you need to fit the challenge (lower) fork protectors (or fitting KTM`s) there`s a line keeper on them.
    (or go with the low 21inch wheel-frontfender from a F800GS, or similar.

    ErikRS can draw and cut a custom ABS rotor for your rear disc-bolt pattern.

    As for the twitchie part, I`m no expert by far, but fitting a bigger front wheel to the Moto fork should make it even slower reacting than an Xchallenge, because of the longer .... ( Nachlauf in German, the front axle is placed a few mm futher back in the Xmoto Fork compaired to the Xch or Xco )

    So my assumption is that the harder rear spring/ damper of the Moto is making life harder when offroad.

    What is your saddle height when seated on it?, (Xchallenge riders of similar weight could supplie you with theirs, problem is that the Xchallenge is pushed up by the air spring, when unseated,)

    (My Moto is much harder sprung than my already beefed up rear end of my Xco)

    So lower it asmap, and turn down the pré tension to lower and soften the rear, and the front fork needs to be at its longest, so all the way through the clamps.
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  13. Mr F

    Mr F I hear banjos.

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    ErikRS can definitely get you an abs ring made. I had woody's make me a set of wheels for my xmoto, and Erik got me taken care of on the ABS ring.

    Speedo functionality fully restored :)

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  14. Xoliul

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    Hey just wanna kick this up if there is ever somebody wanting to do the same thing as me, since this topic is like the only source of info on it:

    I had these spoked wheels made by Woody's, 21/19 sizes. I only went through 'Zach' for communication. The cost was about 2100 inc 250 shipping to europe. I paid some fat import taxes on top of that even...

    All in all I was not too impressed with the service:


    • One of the spacers for the rear wheel had the wrong inner diameter, like 1-2mm too small (axle wouldn't fit through). Thank god I had a friend who just rebuilt his lathe, so we could fix that. I needed them on the bike the next weekend for a gravel tour I had booked!
    • The spacers for the front brake disc (to bring them further away from the spokes were too low. I was ensured I could use my Xmoto caliper, but with the standard setup they sent me the spokes scraped against the caliper badly. I had to add some extra spacers, but not as much as i wanted because the bolts they sent me were pretty short too.
    • The (KTM acc. to Zach) brake disc on the front is a smaller diameter or something, so the brake pads wear unevenly, making it less than ideal to switch back to stock wheels at times. One of the pads has like the lower half recessed/worn out much more than the other one.
    All in all I'm not that impressed for the money I paid. Zach promised replacements spacers and all, but I never got anything and grew tired of nagging about it.
    I'd recommend considering xChallenge wheels and swapping to an xChallenge caliper, sacrificing some braking power but avoiding a lot of the hassle i had. I can't say for sure but supposedly that's all it would take to fit on an Xmoto.
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  15. Shmikes_1

    Shmikes_1 Perpetual Novice

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    Hey everyone, appreciate that this thread is a little old but, just bought a xcountry (in pieces) without wheels and discs. Can't wait to get this beast back together.

    I'm looking to go a 21/18 front and back and not up for spending big on allegedly not very good XC wheels.

    There's mention of using KTM wheels with spacers... Any particular wheels?? :confused

    Cheers
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