Garmin 478 users/owners thread

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by spidennis, Apr 10, 2009.

  1. mpatch

    mpatch Long timer

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    Ive had all of the marine weather packages from the $10 one up to the $50 one. What's totally different?
    I just downgraded from the master mariner to the sailor.
  2. Steve W

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    I just went out to the garage and played around a bit. I've never in the ~6 years I've had the Master Mariner package used the weather tab in the main menu screen to access weather data. It does indeed show the icons if I zoom out enough, but that screen doesn't give you nearly as much information for forecasts or options as accessing weather from the find button when using the map screen. Nor does the map screen give me any icons. Interesting. I doubt if I'll ever use it.
  3. BlueLghtning

    BlueLghtning Riding is my passion

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    I really miss having the XM marine weather, but I really only liked the $50 weather package with the storm tracking on it. It really showed you what a storm was doing and if it was worth it to work around it if possible or take shelter. The lightning strikes were good to see too, although that's pretty easy to see in real life also. :lol3

    The $30 weather packages were still good for the radar, but I missed the storm tracking.

    IMOP, the $10 weather "summary" sucks and isn't worth the price.

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  4. bash3r

    bash3r I ain't no DingWeed

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    I've got my 478 with the Lifetime CN maps.. and it seems I can only install the maps as Garmin Map Updater groups them on my internal storage? Is this correct?

    It just so happens they way they break them up, I can't get the states I most often ride installed.. haha!

    To install my own selected states from Mapsource seems I'd need a memory card.. can someone confirm if I'm on the right track here?

    Thx!!

    DockingPilot.. my 478 has done that weird routing bug you were discussing.. I've not got v4.50 on my gps and 2014 maps so we'll see if it does it still for me.
  5. Steve W

    Steve W Old Grouch

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    Yep. Memory card needed. A couple of options, there's a thread in this sub-forum on a Russian source for 2 gig cards, positive feedback to date. The drawback is that you need an existing Garmin card as a housing donor. The Garmin 512 meg cards show up on ebay from time to time, option 2.
  6. bash3r

    bash3r I ain't no DingWeed

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    Thx Steve.. this is what I was thinking.. and I think a 512 or even 256mb would be find for what I load up at a time.. I think I'll be able to use the internal for now.. but keep my eye out for a memory card!

    Ride safe!
  7. mpatch

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    if to dont mind losing the preinstalled mapset you can install up to 2gb of maps onto to internal memory, its kinda tricky the first time you do it but once you get it figured out is just about as easy as using mapsource or mapinstall
  8. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod Red Clay Halo

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    I tried and tried to figure this method out and couldn't get it to work. What's your method?
  9. mpatch

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    from the top of my head
    there is 1.37 Gb under rgn=77 and of 450 Mb under rgn=49
    start with a small map as a trial run


    1. create map using mapsource then send it to a thumb drive or similar then move it to your computer
    2. create a folder called "test" on your c: drive
    3. move IMG file to "test" and rename it gmapprom.img
    4. make sure that webupdater is in the garmin folder and that webupdater.exe is inside the webupdater file
    5. go to run and type in cmd and hit enter then type cd.. hit enter and repeat until you get to c:
    6. type in c:\Garmin\webupdater\Webupdater.exe /upload_file rgn=49 path=c:\test\gmapprom.img -autorun usb /i
    7. connect and turn on your GPS
    8. hit enter and wait
    9. to use the other memory partition just change the rgn from 49 to 77 and repeat

    the thing that hung me up for hours the first time was getting the command line right, you need to make sure the files are where you say they are
    you may need to change the command to match where the files are on your pc what I mean is that when you open your Garmin folder it should say c:\garmin and webupdater should say c:\garmin\webupdater and so on if not change the command to match your file locations

    I was getting some wierd error for the first hour or so until I relized that on my PC webupdater.exe was in the webupdater folder inside of the Garmin folder.

    I have gotten all of CNNA 2013.3 (about 1.8GB) onto my unit. I havent played around with installing different maps types (ie some topo, some CNNA, some OSM) in one shot to see if they would work properly.

    hope this helps
  10. crazybrit

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    I've seen a variant of these instructions on various gps forums.

    My 478 has "CN North America NT", "US Marine Detail Map" and "Americas Autoroute Weather Basemap".

    What I've never been able to figure out is whether each of these is a distinct "rgn"? If so, is it possible to only overwrite City Nav? There doesn't seem to be any way to extract the built-in maps so you can reload them.

    I was hoping to find a way to just update City Nav to a newer version without deleting the other maps.

    I'd also read that using certain 'rgn' codes could brick the device ... I'm 50/50 on trying to update CN or just selling it.
  11. mpatch

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    you wont lose the autoroute base map, the problem with just updating city nav it the newer versions are very close to the 2GB of internal memory which leaves almost no room for anything else
    I would assume the smaller partition is the marine data. One could try and install a good chunk of city nav on the other and post results. To me the preloaded marine maps arent really that great and the 478 isnt really a good marine GPS due to its small screen but I have been kinda spoiled by boating with friends that have high end GPS/fishfinder/sonar/radar units.

    eta: pretty sure you can update just the city nav part via garmins website but you will need a 512mb card along with the internal memory to fit it all
  12. crazybrit

    crazybrit Long timer

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    I'm not sure what you mean by "leaves almost no room for anything else".

    I'd be curious to know the size of "City Nav NT 2011.40 ALL" presently installed on my 478. If it's residing in rgn 77 it should be less than 1.37GB but there doesn't seem to be any tool to read an IMG off the device .... they must have added a lot more data to CN in the last 2 years to balloon the size by 45%.
  13. discochris

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    Garmin support was pretty much worthless. However, purchasing a simple 3.0 to 2.0 hub did the trick. Now I'm struggling with some other issues, but at least the Mac can see the 478 now.

    I've still not been able to get my older CN maps to unlock on the new Mac. I bit the bullet and paid the $49 for CN 2014, only to find out the size is so bloated it won't all fit. I've read here that you can upgrade the storage on the 478 - I didn't think that was possible. Any step by step instructions? If I wanted to only upload maps regionally, I might as well have kept my Quest.
  14. Dolly Sod

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    I tried this, and every time I got to step 6-8 nothing happened. Webupdater would run, then say everything was up to date then close. :dunno
  15. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    As days pass, it becomes clearer that our 478's are getting long in the teeth.

    They're not apparently compatible with the new USB 3 standard on computers. They don't have enough internal memory, so upgrading with unavoidable larger map sets requires work arounds.

    I wonder how much longer mine will be viable?
  16. BlueLghtning

    BlueLghtning Riding is my passion

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    Although its not a perfect solution, the 2gb data card that's being offered in the vendor forum is still a possibility and definitely makes it easier to load maps on the unit without all the work around's for the internal memory and of course works for the 276 & 376 that don't have internal memory like the 378/478.

    But yeah, we are definitely seeing the end of life getting closer for our GPS units.
  17. Steve W

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    As long as it's the best option out there (MO). I've just ordered a repair/replace for my oldest unit, lifetime maps still work and loading a data card is no big deal. The USB 3 thing is easily fixed. I do long for the old days though when Garmin let you have a little control over what maps were loaded, and what data. I find the new "Junction View" data to be useless and eliminating it during a map instal might allow a bit more useable stuff. I don't need Alaska or Mexico on my Street units. Oh well. Back to my soaps. :freaky
  18. mpatch

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    Just tried doing a mixed mapset ( CNNA,topo,OSM) and it loaded but city nav was the only visible one because it has a priority # above the rest and I couldn't select a mapset like if you load it to a memory card.

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  19. mpatch

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    just reinstalled 2011.1 and compared it to 2013.3 all maps selected to check size and map number difference

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  20. discochris

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    Update.

    Garmin's email support basically told me "you can't get the old maps any longer if you purchased via download."

    So I called them. I told them that it was not reasonable for me to stop in the middle of a trip to load more maps because of the increased size of CN 2014. After a bit of pushing on my part, they "magically" found a way to reactivate my download for CN 2010 so that it will load onto my new laptop. Of course now I have 2014 that I paid for and likely won't use, but at least I'll be able to route with the same mapset on my laptop and my GPS.