Garmin and tablet?

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by GreenOrange, Nov 23, 2011.

  1. WoodButcher

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    I'm about a step away from getting my ipad and garmin working together the way I'd like. I have MotionX GPS HD and it will open .gpx files. I've been putting them in dropbox and using that to launch MotionX and it works fine. It turns the routes in the gpx file to tracks since that is all it works with. The problem was there was no way to go straight from the gps to the ipad, or even by putting the sd card from the gps in the sd adapter on the ipad because of IOS limitations. So I jailbroke the ipad and loaded an app called ifile. Now I can see all the files that MotionX has stored (.gpx) and can read all files on the sd cards in the adapter and can view them in MotionX. So that gets to where I can pull stuff from the gps to view in a larger map set up, but I don't have a way to create routes and save them as .gpx files yet. So I've still got to find the right app to create and save on the ipad to make this totally useful.

    I think an android tablet is probably in my future though. Unless someone has found an app for the ipad that will edit and save routes and tracks.
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  2. 250senuf

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    Being able to access the micro Sd card with the iPad won't be the answer for most of us as the tracks and waypoints go into the internal memory of most of our GPSs. Tablets running Windows 8 will be along soonish.
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  3. Jan from Finland

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    The Windows 8 may be here soon, BUT the Tablet Windows 8 will not run, emulate or port the same software (apps) as the traditional Windows does. Confusing? Yes, but sadly true. The tablet has different user interface (Metro) and processor architecture (ARM) than traditional Windows has (Intel or AMD x86). Tablet apps will run on the traditional Windows, but not the other way round.

    Many GPS units do use microSD card and you can transfer tracks and waypoints between the unit and the card. It's not an issue.
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  4. 250senuf

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    Interesting news re Win 8 on tablets (but disappointing)

    Re transfering info between the card and the GPS unit: DeLorme - yes, Garmin - not so much (if at all)[not right up to speed on the newest units]
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  5. Jan from Finland

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    Surely someone will release proper Windows 8 tablet, but it will be closer to the size of laptop than iPad. Something like Asus EEE Slate. Tablet Windows 8 is more like a smart phone operating system scaled up to tablet size.

    Is it really so that newer Garmin units can't transfer tracks/waypoints via the card? Even my stone age Magellan does that. I may have to think again about buying a new Garmin... So, how you transfer the files? The Montana doesn't even have the Bluetooth. Only using PC cable and the MapSource or the like software?
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  6. 250senuf

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    Someone with experience with the Montana may chime in on that unit's features (or read the Montana thread: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688775 ). I have a 76CSx which has the card. The card holds the maps and, if enabled, a daily .GPX track log. This .GPX cannot be read by the unit. It has to be copied to a computer, filtered to 500 points, then reloaded to the unit's internal memory. So close yet so far away.
    That's why this thread started: YES, a computer is required to do very much (anything?) with the older Garmin units that have a card.
    The newest Garmins may be more up to speed re not needing a computer all the time.
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  7. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Some "newer" units can save on device data to the µSDCard, others can't. No clear coarse of direction for Garmin in that regard. It's just code. If you want that feature you have to make your wishes known - to Garmin.

    On the Montana, the only device generated data that can be directed by the user to the storage card are Photo's.

    Cheers,
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  8. EmmEff

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    I am hoping that with the success of tablets of all sorts (Android, iOS, Windows 8, etc.) that we'll see some new way of interfacing with our GPSes in the future. Something like Bluetooth would be ideal since it doesn't require another cable. Let's hope Garmin comes up with this and the tablet makers play along.

    On another note, Garmin has had wifi on their GPSes for a while now, perhaps they could build onto that allowing tablet-to-GPS syncing.
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Garmin has the tech to do what you're discussing and maybe one day they will decide that the market is large enough for them to participate. They currently have a "Fit"-ness app for the iPhone and it can "connect" to Fitness products using their Ant+™ Adapter for iPhone. No reason whey Garmin couldn't port BaseCamp to the iPad and make a Garmin Wireless Adapter for iPad/iPhone that would only transfer data between Garmin GPS's (that support Garmin Wireless Sharing) and the iOS device.

    Cheers,
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  10. Bobonli

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    I think they just need to reach a tipping point with customer feedback. This issue came up at a session Max BMW hosted last week with the Garmin NE training rep. There were requests for bluetooth data transfer from computer to GPS, to which he said Garmin doesn't do this now but he'd relay the request.

    Other things folks wanted: 10 inch displays; displays that rotate like the Iphone; GPS-radar detector combo; ability to load MP4s into the audio player so as to not have to convert from Itunes to mp3. The only thing the rep pursued with any vigor was the radar detector suggestion, which he asked how much we'd be willing to pay beyond the GPS price and how big of a unit we'd tolerate.

    They seem open to suggestions. But I also got the impression that they want to "do it right" rather than just add clunky features that only a small market segment want.
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    Yup, without a doubt, they already have the technology in-house. I hope it's one day sooner than later. The tablet and mobile phone market simply cannot be ignored. We've seen many threads on this forum alone about the desire to have a Garmin syncing solution for tablets, whether it be BaseCamp or something a little more watered down.

    I'd like to see tethering enabled to allow the Garmin GPS act as a GPS for my iPad (similar to how I can tether my iPad to my iPhone). Combine that functionality with bi-directional syncing of GPS data and they'd have a killer product. Give me a Montana with that capability and I'll buy immediately.
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  12. abhibeckert

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    If it has a CPU that's compatible with most of the windows software available today, then it will need a fan and a huge/heavy/expensive battery even just to achieve very poor battery life. You're going to pay a lot more for a product that is inferior in many ways.

    By the way, these tablets already do exist, and they run Windows 7 just fine. But they are big, heavy, have poor battery life, and they're very expensive (sometimes triple the price of an iPad).

    As others have said, the right thing to do is complain to Garmin, for not writing software for iPad/Android/Windows on ARM. They could easily do all of that, there really is no reason why basecamp can't run on any tablet and plug your GPS directly in via USB (or the SD card, or bluetooth), except Garmin hasn't bothered to do it yet.

    They've ported BaseCamp to Mac, so why not iOS? Apple has sold more iPhones/iPads in the *last twelve months* than all the macs they have sold in their entire 28 year history.
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  13. Bobonli

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    I've read a few articles lately about Electronic Flight Bags (EFB) for pilots using the Ipad. What exactly is on an EFB? Sounds like charts and navigational aides.

    Don't the pilots need a way to sync the EFB to their navigational device (often a Garmin)? I wonder if this technology discussed in this thread is already out there in another product/industry.
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  14. abhibeckert

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    Yeah as far as I know it's charts and stuff. A whole briefcase full can be needed for a typical 737 passenger flight. Or just an iPad.

    The 3G iPad has a GPS receiver and it is their navigation device. There is plenty of (often expensive) iPad software designed specifically for pilots. You can also plug in third party GPS chips which claim to be more accurate.
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  15. EmmEff

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    Considering they're moving away from paper navigational aids to iPad-based, there is no existing sync mechanism in place. Perhaps in the future, but right now, I imagine the FCC would have issues with a consumer class device interfacing with the nav system on a passenger airliner.
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