Garmin announces the new GPSMAP 276Cx

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by mattebox, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. chris_sav

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    I'll take it there has not been any significant improvement as there has not been a single post supporting the unit.

    Guess I'll leave it off this year's Christmas present list :flush
  2. speednut

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    I still have crossed fingers.
  3. socalluke

    socalluke Been here awhile

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    I'm in the market for a new GPS....What would people recommend?

    Have been trying to use my iPhone in Lifeproof case and USB hard wired on the bike. Works pretty good. But Scenic keeps shutting off. And really don't care for the tiny screen on my GPSMap 62
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    In the same boat , thinking BMW NAV 6 with cradle .
  5. The Lemming

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    Before all kind people starts answering the million dollar question above in this thread remember it is all about the GPSMAP 276 Cx. There are lots of other threads covering what GPS to buy. Please do not fall for the temtation to use this thread for that purpose.
  6. paquo

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    That is nice, but it doesn't have the buttons, then again these days there are gloves that work with touch screen. My old 276 i have revived, and it works ok and it doesn't cost anything.
  7. RonKZ650

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    Gloves that work with touch screens worthless in my opinion, as you push a "button" on the touchscreen screen about 1" diameter every time. Real precision. Worthless, as what you press is like 1/2" off what you originally meant to press on the screen.
  8. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    on a 1 1/2 x 2 1/2" screen it sucks. on a 5" screen it's fine.
  9. SteveAZ

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    I've not only used touch handhelds and car systems but also used up to 10.4" touch in large agricultural vehicles and "Every touch based system I've used were very difficult to use due to motion."
  10. PoleRbear

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    The whole idea is that you're not supposed to adjust GPS settings while in motion...
    In any case, to zoom in or out should not be difficult (even in motion) if manufacturer designs proper interface with large and separate touch areas corresponding to -/+ virtual buttons. It should not be that hard if you have 5" high resolution screen.
  11. SteveAZ

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    That's just plain silly. I get avoiding the distraction while on the road but that's a pretty ridiculous blanket statement
    It's just soooooooooo much easier with buttons..... period.... That's why aviation and marine navigation systems have buttons.... And that 10.4 touch only ag system? They now have dedicated purpose buttons in addition to the touch.... they learned that's what the market required...

    The mass market has been drawn to the allure of the sexy touch and so are far more accepting of them (ignorance is bliss) than folks that deal with these systems proffessionally...

    But if you don't "get" buttons, you're prolly in the wrong thread....
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  12. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    when the button ui has progressed enough to allow inputting text without scrolling /tapping five times per letter I'll be interested. I'm not against it, it just didn't fit with motorcycling/hiking anywhere near as well as a good touch interface does.

    the uses like marine/aviation are a lot different than dual sporting or car navigation.
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  13. PoleRbear

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    I don’t mind buttons that much although I would prefer well executed touch screen. The biggest pain is to input addresses by clicking arrows all over the screen and hunting letters. That’s just dumb in this day and age but if this unit was working the way it’s supposed to ( fast, smooth and accurately with maxed out topo details on crisp, bright screen) then I would not think twice about spending the $$$, buttons or not. As of now what this unit does is barely capable of following a track but for that I don’t need nearly $1000 device. 64s series would be sufficient for not much more than $200.
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  14. SteveAZ

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    Imagine for a moment that whatever performance issues with this 276cx where to everyone's at least B+ expectations *and* they incorporated a touch sensorin the otherwise identical unit but brought in all the best features of touch into the UI... Would you not really value the buttons? Just a hypothetical, but... (I'd pay $1K for that!)

    Frankly the dedicated purpose buttons on the 276cx and the big display are what grabs my attention. As much garmin bashing as I may have done the button interface on these units is really very good - they got good at it in the marine/aviation market where they're still very well respected...
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    Actually I don’t have the touch vs buttons dilemma, this is way down my list of must haves and nice to haves. What I wanted to say is that both ways are acceptable if implemented right. I would be perfectly fine with either interface as long as it works to my expectations. I wouldn’t use it a lot for navigating to addresses, mostly for off road, but I don’t want to buy something that is painfully slow and misses turns when navigating.
    Unfortunately looking at the timing of hardware updates from Garmin it will take them 10 years to figure it out to bring it up to speed. But then it will be 2027, the world will be navigating with VR contact lenses, and there’s a good chance they will be 10 years behind everyone else.
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  16. SteveAZ

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    Personally, I think the problem with garmin outside the marine and aviation markets is the small size of a market of sophisticated navigators so they don't put the effort into that market since there isn't the return on investment.

    The reason that the x76/x96 series were such well-respected units is that they were primarily designed for those markets and so they had a much larger market of sophisticated navigators. It was very fortunate for the rest of us using them outside those applications that they put very good routing and on-road usage functionality and features.

    Well at least that's my "theory"! :D
  17. PoleRbear

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    I agree and pushing a flop like 276cx is not helping to retain current customers or attract new ones. Does it really take that much money and effort to make the device work fast when you design it from scratch? And since there’s nothing on the market that would fill the niche that 276cx was design for is making Garmin lazy and arrogant. Yes, asking $800+ dollars for a flop because there’s no competition is arrogant.
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  18. SteveAZ

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    From my industry experience I'd say it definitely does....
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  19. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    It's not as if Garmin hasn't done this before, though. Heck, they could have taken the code off the 478 to start with...
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  20. SteveAZ

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    I fought this battle so many times I can't count...

    Sales: We need <great new product> product with <requirements>.
    Mgmt: SteveAZ, we'd like you to run with this. We need it's unit cost to be X. It needs to be deliverable in Y. Your budget is Z.
    Me (old guy): I can give you two of the three. Choose your poison.
    Young guy: I can do it!
    Mgmt (to young guy): Love your enthusiasm, it's yours.

    Product is late, missing features *and* costs more than target and is way over budget....

    99% of people will grossly underestimate the effort it takes to engineer a product - and that's the engineers! Non-engineers/project managers have zero clue. Using old code and copy and paste hardware only gets you so far. A product like this is a *lot* of work and takes a lot of resources and time. Debug alone is months...