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Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by mattebox, Oct 4, 2016.
Thanks, Steve. I appreciate your perspective
Buttons are way better for a motorcycle gps that touch screen flat out sucks. I don't care what kind of gloves you have on.
The ergonomics folks agree... They are in the camp that in any vehicle, and especially road vehicles that require constant attention to the piloting, fixed-function buttons are a whole lot less distracting and much easier to find and get reliable activation since memory will get you to them better and feel will let you know they've been pressed...
Touch is cheap - especially when making reliable buttons. It has a marketing sex appeal. Folks attraction and familiarity with smart phones make them more acceptable than they probably should be. Other than that, buttons win all the way around in a vehicle application...
how easy is it to plot this short route, add waypoints with and edit their descriptions, on the 276 with buttons?
im just going through real world usages im familiar with and curious
Is it really to much to ask for to stick to the topic of this tread?
Personally I don’t care if you prefer buttons or touchscreen.
The topic is about the Gpsmap 276 Cx and it has buttons.
Please address Garmin if you want to change that fact.
With the old x76/x96's creating a route on the fly was a breeze... I'm guessing it's just as easy on the 276cx...
I also don't get the constant chatter from folks who don't own and aren't interested in the 276cx and appear to *only* want to bash (I bash montana plenty, but I own one and I contribute positively a lot too)... If it had more sterling performance reports I *would* own one and there's a better than even chance I'll end up with one and end up finding that while the map draw performance isn't great it will be fine for a real electronic navigation system with real routing and navigation features, *and buttons*. In the "old days" pretty much all units map draw performance was dismal but the real value of the device isn't map draw performance anyway.... half the time or more with my montana it's setting on the trip computer page (no map).
If you really like using a phone for "navigation" then you aren't really interested a true electronic navigation system - although some of these folks might prefer pilots use phones instead of cockpit navigation systems to shoot an ILS approach in near zero visibility and turbulence or for the ship captain to navigate the channel at a large port with high tidal flows...
I gave up praising the unit on here--my post would always get reputed and stomped on--mostly by the same guy-----------mine works great.
Luv the 10,000 waypoints
Luv the 250 routes
Luv the 250 tracks
These 3 things no one mentions.
You can save your breath asking me any more questions about the unit.
The answer to all questions is "Mine works perfect".
I know one guy won't be able to stand that I said that.
He'll be here momentarily as he's go nothing else to do.
There is at least one poster in this thread that has never posted anywhere else on the site, just comes here to give his expert negative advice.
My 276cx works just fine. Use one or don't, that's up to you.
see above. this isn't bashing buttons... but instead just asking how a person does it, with only buttons. changing waypoint names is something I do regularly during rides. the button unit (60) was just as difficult as the touch screen unit (Oregon) to accomplish this. I'm looking for real world uses instead of generalizations.
if I were bashing anything it would be the price, slowness, etc that have already been covered here repeatedly. there's always a chance that we learn something when comparing uses.
1 I could imagine stuff too, but I was curious about real world uses. the button and screen units I've tried so far weren't great at this, it was laborious at best for inputting text, and it was not possible to plan a route that consisted f both on and off road routes in the unit. it required using a laptop to plot the route, and the off road section, then join them and export to the unit.
2 mmmm, ok. I've tested a few, and it's very interesting to me. unfortunately the failure points stick out quickly.
3 of they wanna, I guess they can. more than likely the skill and experience means more than who's branded gizmo is on the dash. I hope!
Everyone seems to agree that the 276cx works great with tracks but previous posts found fault with the next turn function when using routes.
I use my montana for both tracks and highway routes
so my question is...how does it work as far as auto routing and next turn function?
It's not much use to me if I'm in the middle of a freeway and the next turn indication pops ups 5 minutes after I passed the turn
I for one don't use that feature but maybe I'll give it a try this weekend.
Pssst, I rarely ride freeways. I bet other units are better suited for highway use, I don't know, this unit does what I want it to do for me.
My 478 is getting tempermental, hoping that this premium priced replacement gets sorted some. A lot of money for a unit that lacks function.
Think I'll end up with one eventually, can't see anything else out there that comparable to my 478
I just bought the 276 CX.. Appears Tourtech doesn't have a locking mount system available as of yet for this unit.. Any suggestion on what mount system to use on a GS 800 ADV?
The original Garmin mount is quite ok. Is the same like for the Montana. It can be locked with an included little tool. But nothing on the market with a proper key lock. I guess not enough were sold in order to develop one...
Hanging around, planning my next trip.
The german TT-shop offers the new mount with 3 month lead time.
I would never bother or want to do that. Here's a real world scenario that disqualifies all touch screen GPS units. Going down a bumpy trail in either my SxS, GS, or my snowmobile. An intersection comes up with 3 trail/track options. I need to quickly zoom and scroll to see where these tracks lead. I also may want to rest the pointer over a waypoint or rt in order to see it more clearly. The intersection is coming up so I quickly Exit the scroll and zoom in close so I can make sure and take the right trail/track. This can NOT be done, on the fly, not breaking stride at all, in rough conditions quickly and efficiantly with touch screen. If you tell me you can, then I'll tell you, you're not doing it nearly as quickly as I do. Been leading groups off road for 20 plus years, the 276/376 units are/were king. I run 2 units on my dash/bars a Montana and a 478. The Montana is there for its ability to hold a sat. fix in dense trees and it can store tons of tracks.. The 478 is still the one I reach for, for on the fly track or orientation checks. I want a GPS that does both. Great on the fly handling, and the ability to store lots of tracks. (478 limit 15 tracks)
Been holding out but nows the time, as my four 376/478 units are getting very tired. So I just ordered the 276CX and it is going to do exactly what I want. I figured I better go ahead and get one before they are discontinued. because after reading this thread, I realize there are very few of us that actually have appreciation for a GPS unit that allows for this type of on the fly Navigation. I guess if you don't get it, you just don't get it.
Did you look at the 78? All the Tracks features of the Montana and buttons.
I did, never cared for it, screen to small. The 276cx seems like the first viable replacement for the 276/478
1 fair enough, everyone uses things differently. I was just curious how it was done on a button based system. I guess if a person is used to the limitations of a design, they would never consider operations outside of that design.
2 auto-zoom-to-speed is what I use when this kind of stuff it's happening. if it's really that bumpy (single track with breaking bumps/whoops on the national Enduro courses) there's no way my hand can off the bars to touch a screen or press a button. well, at least not without crashing. auto zoom works great for this. auto screen on for waypoint proximity works great for this too. if you so long enough on bumpy terrain to press a button, you can zoom with one finger by touching the screen and sliding UP which increases the zoom level. it's-very- fast reacting.
3 this is another use interface improvement that might be ahead of what you're used to... as the map centers on the next track section or waypoint, it can be set to read the name aloud, beep x number times, and/or highlight the name as the map centers over it. there is no need to interact with the unit for this, with a good user interface.
4 if it's so bumpy that the screen can't be reached, or the zoom buttons (volume doubles as skip next song, rewind, zoom in and zoom out) can't be accurately pressed, then a button won't be possible either. I've tried this while 4x4ing, it's very easy as driving goes, but if it's a vehicle with handle bars, nope, I'm keeping my hands in place until the bike stops.
5 totally likely. but then again, lots of folks are faster than me. tons.
6 a lot has changed in the last twenty years. the GPS/nav stuff isn't that interesting, but ALL the other little things involved with leading folks at speed would be very interesting !
7 never had the need for two. maybe I'm spoiled with the great accuracy in the trees /canyons that phones give me, or the user interfaces are just advanced enough to not require two units. orientation is pottery pretty easy too, it uses GPS for directional orientation above 4mph (my setting) but internal compass below that speed, so i can sweep the bars left/right at a trail head if i got confused. I dunno if it's just me, but it works really well in thick woods(+/-3-5 meters under trees, moving), like this 2015 national Enduro course:
I just used the Google earth view map I saved a few months ago, to highlight all the different tracks in that area. normally I'll switch between topo and saved Google hybrid maps if we're cutting new trail or looking for landmarks and/or ways around obstacles.
8 I totally agree here. the ability to store -tens-of-thousands- of waypoints, and tracks/routes, and 16/32/64/128 gigabyte of maps, is why I like using phones. I never have to plug it into a computer to share things, just import/export to any other device over Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/NFC/email/website/USB mass storage/sdcard/etc , which is really nice. in still waiting on the Garmins to have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi sharing.
track storage example.... here's the
and a few hundred other tracks/waypoints including all the data from the 2017 eclipse overlays from the database on display. at this zoom level it's hard to fathom just how much storage there is, or just how many things can be on the screen at once without clutter, but it's a LOT:
10 I'd like to see more real world usages so I can understand what limitations you think there are. trust me, I get it as far as maps/nav capabilities go, but understanding all the real world uses that folks are used to from the era you're familiar with is pretty foreign to me. just trying to gather the "why do it That way?" answers.