Garmin announces the new GPSMAP 276Cx

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by mattebox, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. abruzzi

    abruzzi Long timer

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    On the old 276C, you go into the track setup menu and change the color to "transparent". On that machine its not completely hidden, but its barely noticeable, and only when the track goes off road. I have no idea if they retained that on the CX.
  2. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    I've noticed that the folks who report their unit has no lag, tend to be living in rural areas, and open ones at that, like Wyoming. Folks in rural Virginia, for example, are still seeing lag at last reports. Not to mention in cities.

    My guess is that once you tick over a certain amount of data on the map shown, the unit can't keep up. Dunno if it's a lack of processor or a software bug causing it, but on a premium device, it doesn't matter, it's unacceptable.
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  3. khpossum

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    Possibly, but how about the Denver area, hardly rural:



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    I made those this morning, especially for those who would rather complain and are too lazy to get their unit of the shelf and update it or make unfounded accusations.

    I still would be interested to hear from those who have updated their unit recently to see if the problem persists, is getting better or what. Data density certainly has an impact on the redraw rates at higher zoom levels. I have not noticed any difference on the location updates between riding in Denver and riding in the country. Any updates I see are within the GPS update recycle time. As reported previously I notice an occasional problem with the direction popup window updates, it needs more work. I never use it and never have, so it does not bother me, but I have conveyed the problem to Garmin.

    thumpididump, you live in a place with lots of map data, what are you seeing??

    KP

    PS first time making Youtube's and first time posting them. I hope they work, Unfortunately a poor video got even worse by the time it comes back over YouTube.
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  4. shu

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    First video: looks good. You got to the round-about just about the same time the marker on the 276 showed it ( and the same time the sheriff got there too. :D ) Do you recall what your zoom level was on that?

    Second video: Huh? Good shot of your jeans, but I couldn't get much else from it. I assume it was showing that the NUVI and the 276CX were tracking progress equally?

    Thanks for posting that, and the rest of your info, too.

    Based on your info and that from Big Dog, dstepek, empedrado, and, of course, all the early info from DRTBYK and others, I'm ready to give it a try. I've been reading a couple of Dutch sites, where there is a lot of conversation about the 276CX and it sounds like they notice some of the issues (especially the time lag) with the unit are disappearing as it becomes updated.

    I ordered one, should be here this week. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

    ..............shu
  5. chris_sav

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    Totally unnecessary aggressive post.

    To me in that first video the GPS gets progressively behind its true position especially as the car arrives at the last intersection on a very sparsely detailed map.

    If the comments were unfounded then we would not have over 70 pages debate on what I still will not pay £700 a second time to Garmin UK for a GPS I believe I still could not use on maximum detail.
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  6. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

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    First things first, @khpossum , sorry if I offended you. My only point with the Dunning-Kruger effect was that too many times people who think they know the most, don't really know that much. By no means I wanted to insult you. My most sincere apologies.

    Thank you for those videos. I appreciate you took the time to do it. No problem at all with the video quality, it shows what it has to. Your unit works much better than mine.
    If I didn't trust you (or anybody else) is not only because mine (and everybody else's one I know) was not working. But because garmin customer service itself told me it was not going to work.

    I tried to check the sorftware version in my unit but I couldn't turn it on. Looks like the battery died. If I'm not wrong it was 3.4. No mention in the garmin website about any performance improvement in 3.5 or 3.6 anyway. http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=10983

    I'm really busy this week but I'll update my unit and post the outcome as soon as possible.
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  7. thumpididump

    thumpididump MacGyver

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    Indeed, I live in Berlin so there is lots of map data. So far, I've only used it on my bicycle -- so not a very good test to see how fast it can draw high density map data since I'm only moving at ~30 km/h. I will get out on my motorcycle or maybe in the car with it in the next day or two and report back.

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  8. Garry H

    Garry H Been here awhile

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    The video is north up... So there is nowhere near as much processing going on as track up
    I found the 276cx not to bad north up but use track up like most people do and it is terribly slow
    And as for next screen pop up a joke in the city
    It is also very well zoomed in...That reduces the amount of detail and speed things up
    Thing is with a great screen you want to use it zoomed out to see the bigger picture
    It is still beyond me why Garmin have came up with such a great idea and totally ruined it with such crap hardware
    Then tried to charge the earth for it
    I for one would have been a over the moon if it had lived up to the hype
    I wish they would put a decent processor in it or replace it with another unit that belongs in 2017 not 2007
    Then they will have my money
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  9. justlookin

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    Dumb question as I just got a 276cx. Loaded up all my waypoints (3500) and now can’ t seem to find them by name. When I go to waypoints and select find, it comes up with a list starting with “find nearest”. At some point I saw a option to spell the search but no keyboard was displayed and I can not get it to bring up the spell option either on a regular basis. Any idea what I am doing wrong ? Thanks
  10. khpossum

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    Not at all, the position stays right on track and has for the last 60 hours. But you won't believe it, so be it.


    What can I say, I make terrible video's. All I can tell you MY 276CX keeps up just fine. But you won't believe it, so be it.



    Well, nobody is making you. I know there were significant initial issues and Garmin should have taken another 6 months to trouble shoot it. I agree Garmin should have put something more powerful processing in it. I am smart enough, or I am old enough, not to buy a first issue of a new device. Garmin's history is littered with similar stories. You should have known better. Nevertheless, what I have with the current update works for me. In addition to 70 pages of debating the problems, those same 70 pages also show plenty of buyers who are not complaining. There are a handful of people who had problems, but that do not have updates on more recent performance. How many updates have been issued since your complaints? Have you checked if there are any improvements. I don't blame you if the whole experience left you disgruntled and that you are not about to shell out that much money again, but realize things may have gotten better.


    turning on a couple of kmz overlays,
    display a track or twenty,
    lots of waypoints,
    POI's
    satellite imagery (overlay)
    high detail vector map (base)
    weather layers
    population/demographics overlays
    and basically all the bells and whistles (plus mp3 playback, phone call, text message display, etc)
    on at the same time. it usually gives a good real world usage demo, instead of only asking the unit/app to do one thing with a sparsely populated map.


    I dunno, this just a GPS for me, you know to get from point A to point Z without getting lost. I agree this GPS is not for you. Just forget about it. I would like to see a hand for those who want population/demographic overlays, I see one hand, one hand, one hand, anybody else, sorry one hand only. MP3's, text messages, phone calls and such things, same thing, find something else. I admit defeat, this GPS is junk!! No population/demographic overlays? Ridiculous, I agree.

    Birdseye: As mentioned I have never used them and FOR ME, they are probably not very useful. As written in an earlier post I have nothing to contribute here. If they are important to you then that is great. I don't care..



    Now, about the video's. They were meant to address the video from the Spanish guy, replicating earlier reports of the obvious and unacceptable delay on the display of the GPS location pointer. To clearly show any such delays I go to high resolution to show it clearly, duplicating what was shown in the old video. Going to a low resolution would not show any delays clearly. I believe it is also a very different problem from the map redraw issues. The latest set of old videos clearly show map updates with very much delayed position locations. In my mind it has nothing to do with map redraw rates. My experience tells me the same thing, the position follows within 1 second with my 276CX. While riding North up I see NO delays or jerking in map redraws, it is as smooth as can be.



    Fair question and I had not considered that option. I use my GPS like I use a paper map. Always have and always will. You probably won't believe but I am not doing so to make this GPS look good. Some believe I work for Garmin, but I am not. I want to have situational awareness and a map twirling around the screen makes me sick. But that is very much a personal choice. Tonight I want for dinner and made the following YouTube.



    I know isn't very good but there it is. It is track up and further zoomed out. In the video you can't see the pointer very well, but it show the map redrawing making a turn. The location pointer follows just fine including rotating the map. The rotation isn't very smooth, but it follows. With the 90 degree street turns the map rotation is a bit extreme, but no delays to speak off as shown in the previous videos.


    To summarize, I try to review what I see. I explain in great detail how I get the results I see and how I use the GPS. I am an engineer and analyze what i see like any other engineering issue I run into. The way I use it MY 276CX works fine for me. I am not hung up on any experiences that are old and possibly no longer current. It is clear that some of the previously reported issues have been resolved. Are there other issues that need improvement? Sure, if you reread my posts I am very clear about that. I have been very clear how and why the screen redraws work for me and how that might be different for you because of your personal preferences on how you use your CX or what maps you use. I have used "YMMV" liberally. BUT, whatever you do, don't call me a liar, that I have ulterior motives or that somehow I use mine all wrong.

    I really will try to make this my last post in this thread. Unless I find something new and original to report......... Or unless somebody really pisses me off, again.

    Adios..
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  11. RonKZ650

    RonKZ650 Been here awhile

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    Thanks for the videos. The unit looks like it would work fine for me.
  12. fraroy

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    khpossum,

    I also purchased a 276Cx recently. I intend to post a full review sometime in January. I agree with your take on this device. However one comment you made earlier seems incorrect:


    To top it off you can only see a track at a time,
    Correct, not important to me, but maybe to you.


    During the weekend I made two short tracks recording a walk from the flat to work and could display both simultaneously. So I thought maybe those two tracks are too short. Here it's winter, we got our first snowstorm of the season today, and why not fantasize a bit about upcoming rides. I downloaded all tracks from ridebdr and copied them to the device. This is 16 MB of tracks (99 tracks for 7 "routes"). I selected the longest track of each "route" to display, each with a specific colour, and here is the result:

    [​IMG]
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    I wonder in Garmin's avionics market, if customers need to configure their settings as to not let the plane outrun the processor or if they are also patiently waiting for software updates?
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  14. thumpididump

    thumpididump MacGyver

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    LOL. :jack
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  15. BigDogAdventures

    BigDogAdventures Fart Letter

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    I've got about 200 tracks loaded in mine-----------they all show up.
    Had to turn each one on "Show On Map" to do that. But they are there.
    Some of them hundreds of miles long and thousands of points-----------awesome.
    Everything is beyond awesome.

    Also have thousands of tracks on a map image loaded--------again------awesome.
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  16. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    I was only making an observation about your video. here are screenshots of what I think was a few oopsies by the gps while merging onto an acceleration ramp:

    turning behind white truck...
    Screenshot_2017-12-14-02-27-20.png


    update refresh rate and/ or software hiccup? I dunno
    Screenshot_2017-12-14-02-27-48.png

    more hiccup but in bsod (windows blue screen of death)
    Screenshot_2017-12-14-02-27-57.png


    at this point it looks like it's still confused as to which road/lane/direction you're traveling in ?
    Screenshot_2017-12-14-02-29-17.png

    and I've used up my attachment limit for screen shots.

    earlier when I talked about having all that stuff on the screen, it was to test an applications/GPS ability to reproduce detail, while in motion. it's a test, not a requirement. the current screenshots from your video there are (or were?) issues with only displaying one map, north up, low res. i totally agree with what you pointed out about the typical buyers desires for this gps unit. they generally don't care about mp3s , or heavier processes like map overlays, demographics, etc, but if those test layers were applied, we would see a dramatic lag increase.... meaning the unit can't keep up. again, it's only a test of the units abilities.

    one last screenshot coming in the next post....
  17. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    @khpossum

    the last screen shot before the video ended shows the unit caught up again:

    Screenshot_2017-12-14-02-29-30.png


    or it partially did? looks like it went back to the beginning of acceleration ramp, instead of where your car was on the ramp, but at least it figured out which road and direction you were on/heading.

    again, it's not whether or not I believe you, I just thought the video did a good job of showing off some errors.
  18. khpossum

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    I have reported this bug to Garmin. Please use support@garmin.com to let them know, that is probably helping in setting their priorities. I have gotten responses, so they are reading these reports. Not so sure about fixes, we'll see.
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  19. thumpididump

    thumpididump MacGyver

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    OK, so I've spent a couple of days driving around with the new 276 in my car, alongside my Nuvi 2699. I ditched the OSM Germany map and bought City Navigator Europe for it. So, both devices running the same Garmin maps. I also disabled the basemap, and the pre-loaded Europe Trail map.

    Driving on downtown city streets in Berlin, and with a little highway driving as well, my thoughts are that the overall performance of the device is quite comparable to that of the Nuvi 2699 --which I consider to be quite good. I've used my 2699 in my car for 2.5 years and I really like it.

    There are some quirky things with this unit, for sure and some of these things may get better as I get more used to the differences. I know my 2699 and my Montana inside and out when it comes to finding/adjusting settings, and I am struggling to find the same settings on the 276 but I am sure that in time this will get easier.

    So far, though, I'm quite happy with no major gripes except the price for the unit, and the price of the new map adds up to a lot of cash. Could have bought a shiny new iPhone.



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    I just got mine yesterday, and today was the first day I've used it. Like thump I've been using NUVIS and Montana for the last 7 years, and have the menus memorized from them, so I'm struggling a little with my 276cx menus a little today. But...here's what I've noticed so far about how to find a waypoint by name...

    1. Start with FIND button

    2. select Waypoints and ENTER
    It will read - Waypoints from current location- and the first one in your list will be highlighted in the banner.

    3. 'ENTER' to select that highlighted waypoint.
    This will yield a single blank line, with it's first blank character highlighted. But, no keyboard.

    4. Use ARROW UP to begin to scroll through an abbreviated list of your waypoints.
    This list is not complete, they are references- like the reference words at the top of a dictionary page.

    5. As you scroll through the list, notice that the first letter of each is highlighted in the banner area. You are actually going through the alphabet with each ARROW UP.

    6. When you arrive at the correct first letter, hit 'ENTER' and your complete list starting with that letter will appear below.

    7. Scroll through the list until you find the desired entry hit ENTER and GO TO.

    It's actually much easier to do than to explain. I don't know if there's another way to do this but it works for me.

    ................shu