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Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by mattebox, Oct 4, 2016.
Done. As you say it's worth a try. I'll play with both on the routes I know well first.
OSM is pretty good in the UK
I use it a lot...But it is not clear about off road tracks designation
Garmin GB discoverer is the way to go for off road in the UK...
But not on the 276cx it's just nowhere near powerful enough to run the raster mapping
The only unit that gives good performance with GB discoverer is the Monterra
Still makes me laugh how people describe a so called top end unit as acceptable / adequate !!
The words i would like to see is excellent / terrific
I think it is terrific I paid $100 less for my "so called top end unit" 276CX with CNNA ($699) then you paid for your Monterra with GBDiscoverer ($793 per Amazon.co.uk). It think that is terrific and, yes, most excellent. Monterra on Amazon 41% says 1* or 2*, only 1/3 give it a 5*. Every time I think about that it makes me laugh.
You have not got a clue what i paid for the Monterra mate
Purchased about a year ago brand new for less than £320 !!!... when they were on offer ( thats half the price of a 276cx)
Monterra is not the best but it is fast unlike the 276cx that just sucks with GB discoverer
I still use the montana for city nav or osm....Until Garmin come up with a decent replacement i will stick with these for now
Yes i would like buttons and a top notch screen but not at the expense of decent performance
Garmin should have stuck with the android platform and sorted it because it's fast, powerful and above all cheap
What package needs to be purchased to get the lifetime map updates? What is the cost if I want to add it later rather than with initial purchase?
The automotive package will get you life time us maps and a car mount in addition to the rugged amps mount. GPS Store has it for 699. Don't know how much life time maps are by themselves, but bound to be more.
I have another dilemma concerning the purchase of the CX. The zumo support music play through Sena Bluetooth as well as turn anouncements. I need a blue tooth player (don’t want to fool with smartphone) that will play nice with the gps and sena. Anyone doing this? This is why Garmin should integrate MP3 player into the cx.
Garmin, can you hear me now?
In a previous post I wrote:
· The declutter function (using the enter key) did not work properly. The clutter would disappear and come back right away again. A bug that needs fixing. Or is this a function of the maps I used? I don’t think so, but who knows.
This must have been a function of the map I used, with CNNA declutter works fine
I was surprised to find that Roads and Rec 3.03 (Vintage 1997) loaded up (Windows 10) and now shows in BaseCamp. Wondering if it would load into 276cx
Why wouldn't it? I've got it in montana...
I love R&R, It's pretty much the only map set that I use.
I've got it in my 276CX--------works perfect---------------I have many maps in my unit.
The fact that R&R requires no unlocks------made it easy.
R&R doesn't cover Mexico, Baja, Alaska, Yukon or Northwest Territories---so I have to use Navigator when in those areas. But sure works great here in the U.S.
I've been waiting a year to see what progressed here. I've finally made a decision not to buy one until such time as the issues are resolved which based on Garmin's history with these types of issues may well be never.
Here's another recent review which put the lid on the device as far as I'm concerned.
I"m just curious, @DRTBYK have you played with any of the latest updates or changed your thoughts on the device now that it's been out for a bit? I checked your site and it still shows the dreaded "not recommended" part, but keep holding out hope that Garmin will see the light and fix the issues on the unit.
I just saw one at Cabelas today. Bigger than I expected, I guess I assumed it was the same form factor as the 276c but it was definitely bigger (not huge but bigger).
From this review I see the following comments using Google translate with all of its imperfections:
Fast: I have to not stop at an intersection to expect the GPS arrives. So fast I go?
This was reported earlier and clearly was an issue at some time. It seems like this was fixed, I have NEVER seen it on my CX. The cursor always has been exactly were I was located, no exception.
Widescreen: I'm coming right view
Google translates this into something I don't understand, not sure what is meant
Easy to use with gloves: touch buttons
Not the greatest, but perfectly workable. This morning I rode here in Colorado with 32F weather and my electric gloves. It worked well enough. With my summer gloves I have no problem. Definitely an improvement to touchscreens in my personal opinion. But you know what opinions are like..... everybody's got one.
It goes well road and off road
The CX is fine, I have no problems, the large, crisp and bright screen is great
Let not hang !!
If this means no hangups then I can say I have had none
That Rutee routable maps on and off
Not sure what the original intent of this comment is, Google Translates mangled its meaning
And while we ask it is also Android is ideal to have applications or getting off tracks via wifi.
No, the CX is not Android and I really don't care. It does have Wifi and Bluetooth. I have not tried it, but it appears you can transfer routes and tracks between 2 units. I am going to have to find out if I can transfer routes from my cell phone, but I am not so sure if this really has any value to me.
It is little slow, very slow. Even putting maps on your lower resolution came to me before the device crosses. If you move around the map with the cursor you have time to go for a coffee before it gets to your site cacharrito.
I have described my experiences with this. Yes, it is slow to redraw when zoomied out beyond a zoom scale of 5 - 10 miles (~100x200 miles visible on the screen) and data dense maps. and gets slower as yiou zoom out further. In reality I rarely use these extended zoom levels while riding. I did with my old 276C but with the large screen on the CX it hasn't been an issue. The zoom levels I use (0.5-0.8 mile zoom level most of the time) combined with the large screen the redraw speed has not been an issue. That is my personal experience. Maybe it is important to you. All of this using a variety of maps, including topo's (but not GBDiscovery).
To top it off you can only see a track at a time,
Correct, not important to me, but maybe to you.
the buttons are on the right (bad for a rider)
Correct. I got used to it a long time ago and now prefer it that way. While riding I lean my hand over the top of the GPS to steady it and push buttons. I can see the screen while doing so. Maybe years of using the 276C has taught me how to do this without any issues. YMMV, but I think one can easily get used to it.
and not touch so to type an address you spend hours.
Well, it is a bit of a nuisance, you are right, but I will trade that off anytime for having buttons instead of a touchscreen. That is my personal preference. I really don't use the find function all that often anyway and then it will take me a minute. What I object more to it the method of entering an address (search area - number - street), instead of entering an address the way you read it. But you are right, the current method is more of a hassle then should be necessary. A minute instead of hours would be a more accurate description.
So, for what it is worth these are my experiences. I am glad I bought one and really don't have any issues that cause me any heart burn. And that it not because if have one now, I can still return it, but have no desire whatsoever to do so. It is vast improvement in most respects over my old 276C.
Hi khpossum, the first list is a "wishlist", not related to this particular model.
I can't say what he means, but I posted this video some time ago:
I'm not aware this has been solved yet. And after a full year since I bought my unit, I don't really expect it will ever be fixed.
Does yours perform better than this?
I'm really looking forward for somebody posting a video where I can see the thing doing it's (only) job properly and not just reading "mine works fine" from time to time.
Don't get me wrong. I have an 800€ device sitting on a shelf for over nine months and I wouldn't mind to use it. If it could do its job.
It would translate more or less to: "Big screen, I'm running out of sight"
If you're over 40something you know what he means.
QUOTE="khpossum, post: 33835709, member: 69641"]Easy to use with gloves: touch buttons
Not the greatest, but perfectly workable. This morning I rode here in Colorado with 32F weather and my electric gloves. It worked well enough. With my summer gloves I have no problem. Definitely an improvement to touchscreens in my personal opinion. But you know what opinions are like..... everybody's got one.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you both. It's not that bad, actually better than the 276C but it could still be even better.
"It works well on and off road"
The screen is great, that's for sure. But stating this thing works well on the road could have been true in 2005, not now.
I have to say this never happened again after a full reset. But it is also true it is almost as long since I gave up using the Cx and went back to my loved 278.
"Being able to create routes with routable maps on and off road". Even if I understand the sentence I don't get what he means too.
As it was a wishlist: "And as we are just asking, I wish it was android. It would be great to have applications or downloading tracks via wifi"
I don't really like android, but I think it would be cool. you could download tracks from wikiloc on the go. Directly from the app, no computer, phone or any other device involved. You might like it or you dont, but it would be just advantages for the user.
Actually, you could install the "HERE WeGo" app and have world wide road, topo and satellite map, download it to your device and not worrying about updates. FOR FREE!!
But Garmin uses those very same maps. And they couldn't rip you off any more for region road maps, topo maps, updates and satellite subscriptions. So this will never happen.
It is slow, very slow. It's an electronic device which has only one job. We are in 2017. There's no excuse for this. Please, stop.
I also got used to it long ago (there's no other option). Getting a motorbike dedicated version of this thing would be nice for riders and not expensive for garmin.
I wouldn't like you to think I'm bashing the 276Cx. It is a thing and it really doesn't care.
We all have opinions and I'm ok with that. But next time I read "it works fine", I would like to see proof. Otherwise some people could think it is true and give garmin a 700$ gift for christmas. They don't deserve it.
or CAVIAT EMPTOR
Thought about it again for Christmas, tempted by those who say they are getting value for their money now, but shied off and bought a cheap second hand Monterra to compare with the Montana 680T I have not been completely happy with.
I really think people need to define "it's job" or more specifically a well defined "mission".
I don't give a rat's behind about bluetooth, mp3's or all the other crap that to me belongs on a smart phone (I don't have one of those and *still* think that's where this crap belongs). The mission for my units:
An electronic navigator that supports the navigation features the aviation and marine units I've been using for decades with the exception it additionally supports road use and routing
Large display that is very sunlight readable without hoods etc.
Runs on either internal batteries or vehicle voltage natively (no freaking relying on USB for power or anything aside from 9-36V)
Rugged and easily mountable in any vehicle including those with handlebars
Easily accessed find function from the map (even while panning)
On-the-fly road routing (more than one via point!)
Maybe this unit works just fine for my parameters [although my list is really significantly longer]. The montana *SUCKS* for my mission and it's hard for me to see this unit as worse since *most* if not *all* the things I hate about montana are addressed. I know from montana that if you are zoomed out it has very slow map (it's painful too) so I have no surprise that this with many more pixels this is worse when zoomed out. Zoomed in montana does ok as it sounds is true with this. I only use zoomed out for planning. When not planning and in motion I'm typically zoomed in to below a mile in montana and with this screen likely more.
Nobody can make the blanket statement the unit's no good when plenty of folks are pleased with it.
So now before folks say it's a POS for whatever reason I'm not listening until you define your mission! This may not be the unit for you and that's fine... If your mission and mine aren't at least similar what do I care what you think? When I hear bluetooth I no longer hear the poster. When I hear android I know they and I have little or no overlap in our venn diagram. If one of you'd consider selling these terrible pieces of crap for <~USD$500 - PM me. I won't be surprised to see $600 (or less?) refurbs to be available before long (I can find new for USD$700) and that's my likely threshold of pain for now.
For f's sake... I need a high-end electronic navigator - not a media center, a phone, or a place to play games (no matter how nice the display)...
I too wish there were more options than this... but for now.........
The video you shot with the location update delays, when did you make this video, long time ago? What software version do you have. Have you updated to the latest, 3.60, and do you still have the same issues? Having your unit sitting on a shelf isn't very helpful. My version information screen reports back as GPSMAP276Cx V7, PCB version 6. Please update your unit and report back, that would be very helpful. I started out my CX adventure with this version a couple of weeks ago and all I can tell you there are zero delays on my CX. The reports of these delays seems to be all some time ago and have not heard of any lately. If anybody still has these issues please let us know, including the software version. @DRTBYK: we haven't heard from you lately, what is your latest experience? I don't do video's while riding and wouldn't have the foggiest how to put a video on advrider. Besides that I don't give a rats ass if anybody believes me or not. So far in my posts I have posted the good, the bad and the ugly. There will be another few observations coming. So far I have send about 10 suggestions and comments to Garmin for future updates. I don't work for Garmin and have no dog in this fight. I can still return my unit to the place I bought it for another 3 weeks with no questions asked. It's not going to happen. Especially if there were any location update delays it would go back in a heartbeat. I remember riding thru Tiblisi with long update delays on my 276C due to narrow streets and tall buildings and it was a mess trying to find my way around.
I ran out of firecrackers to chase deer out of my yard, so today I took a 400 mile trip to Wyoming thru the Pawnee grasslands. In Wyoming fireworks can be had all year long. The CX worked without any problems. There were for two issues that I'll post separately. Neither caused any problems using the CX. I worked it all day long, adding via points on the fly, deleting via points, zooming in and out. Switching the unit on and off, rerouting, restarting a route in the middle, deviating from routes, you name it. I really tried to give it a good workout with things I do when riding. The CX worked without any problems. There are a few issues that could use improvement and I'll keep on whining to Garmin. In my real world the zoom delays never caused me any problems or aggravation. It would be great if they can fix it, and they should. I just booted up my old 276C and it has some slow redraws as well, although not quit as bad as the CX. Has that really bothered me the last 8 years, no.
I am sure things will keep on popping up that could use some work, but so far none of them are a deterrent for me, far from it.
SteveAZ: I just about agree with all of your comments. Bluetooth may come in handy at times, but if the CX didn't have it that would be fine with me as well. Using Wifi to transfer routes / tracks between units may come in handy at times. It is one of those additions that may come in handy, but certainly is not a critical thing for me. You say "On-the-fly road routing (more than one via point!)". Failing that requirement would be non starter for me on a GPS. I believe it is the Montana that fails rather spectacularly in that department.
I'd say we have very close standards in regards of what a dedicated GPS device should do. Like me, I really think most of people who wrote or took a look at this thread knew what they were looking for and never thought anybody looking for a phablet would buy a 276Cx by mistake. I guess most of us have owned a 276/278/476/478 or maybe several of them. So, the kind of people looking for a device like this are mostly IMO, "advanced users".
However, there are advanced users, more advanced than others. And here we have "the problem".
Ever heard about the Dunning-Kruger effect ?
My mission is very basic. It's the only thing I expect from a GPS device. It is as simple as not getting lost.
I can go anywhere with a map and a compass (I have done this A LOT). If there is infrastructure, I can do it with the map alone. I just go back and forth a couple of times and I'm there.
The good thing about GPS navigation is that it makes this SO MUCH faster. No more mistaken names in a language which is not yours. No more asking people in junctions pointing at a map where is your destination.
I have posted this video several times, once again:
I have said this already, it has only one problem. The preformance. And this ruins everything else. It is a dodge charger with a mitsubishi mirage engine.
You might get it or you don't, no problem. You like the 276CX as is or you don't, no problem. It's enough for you or it is not, no problem.
But please, stop saying "mine works fine" or looking for excuses to justify such a shitty performance.
You need a high-end electronic navigator, well, this is NOT.
Every time I read the "mine works fine" (and it is not only about this device, I've found that very same sentence in other threads/forums about different stuff) I think it has been writen by people who work for the company of the product or people who have a more or less direct economical interest on that product or services related to it.
Or maybe they are not as "advanced" as they might think.
Please, don't get me wrong, If it really "works fine" I want to see it. I spent 800€ in one of them and it would be great to use it.