Garmin Garbage

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by Montewest, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. Montewest

    Montewest Adventurer

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    Here's my opinion, and it's only an opinion so don't jump down my throat.
    Take all your Garmin crap and sell it on ebay, along with that worthless Basecamp.
    Get a cell (smartphone) phone, buy a $9 hardwire to your battery and a $10 cell phone holder and get Polaris Navigation or one of a thousand GPS apps out there that are so much easier to use than the 2 year learning curve with any Garmin product, and they're FREE!!, maybe $10 for an upgrade.
    I can layout a route on goggle earth, email myself the kmz file and download it onto Polaris in about 3 minutes, depending on how long the route is.
    Try doing that with Basecamp.
    It's like the old story, "The Emperor Has No Clothes".
    That's my story and I'm stickin' to it !
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  2. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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  3. STcorndog

    STcorndog No destination

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  4. worwig

    worwig Long timer

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    Yes, rain was an issue when my Garmin leaked and filled with water. Is that what you mean?
    I'm sticking with my smartphone.
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  5. STcorndog

    STcorndog No destination

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    If my Zumo leaks I am not worried, I will have already drowned and be headed to heaven.
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  6. RoundOz

    RoundOz Plenty of seasoning

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    Just installed Earth-Purgatory-Heaven 2017-3 on my 595. The voice directions are a little easier to understand with the Morgan Freeman rather than the Alanis Morrisette
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  7. clawdog60

    clawdog60 Long timer

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    great till little or no cell or 4g
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  8. worwig

    worwig Long timer

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    Do you really believe that you have to have a cell connection for a smartphone GPS to work?
    :dhorse

    Sad.
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  9. AviatorTroy

    AviatorTroy Long timer

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    I switched over to motion X years ago and haven't looked back
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  10. deserteagle56

    deserteagle56 deserteagle56

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    2 year learning curve??? Wow!

    Maybe that works for you in New Jersey. Come out to the middle of Nevada sometime and try emailing ANYTHING anywhere. Try downloading maps that you'll need - where, if internet/cell access is available, it's impossibly slow.
    Below is a map of cell coverage in Nevada. It's very misleading because even in the red areas that indicate there is coverage, most of the time you have to be near a town to get a signal. And compared to New Jersey (or Pennsylvania where I grew up), towns in Nevada are few and far between. Where I live now, if I drive due south it is 102 miles before I get to the first pavement.....
    [​IMG]
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  11. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    Most of Maine has bad cell coverage too.

    So load the maps before you go. Load them from wifi if you have no cell signal. Then you can go anywhere, even where there's no cell coverage at all. I agree with @worwig that this myth should have died years ago. (worwig didn't say that explicitly, but I kinda got that idea.)

    I can understand not having a cell phone at all because cell coverage is so bad, but if you have the phone it'll work for GPS without a cell signal. (If you can read the screen in direct sun and if it charges fast enough to last for a ride and other speed bumps that you may or may not have with specific phones. The phones are getting better and you can overcome most of these former problems.)

    I live where cell phones don't work, but that's not the main reason I like my Garmin Montana. The Montana just works for me. Clear, bright, always charged, rugged, waterproof, etc.. And I know the menus well enough to use it.
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  12. deserteagle56

    deserteagle56 deserteagle56

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    You're not getting the whole picture I was trying to get across. It's that internet service - unless you are around one of the bigger towns - is so slow where I live that you are not going to download anything of any size. I'm talking kilobytes per second download speeds, not megabyte! And I'm not about to drive to the nearest city just to find wifi. A couple of my neighbors tried satellite internet but it was so bad they both gave it up after a few months. If I have something I need to download and it's not too big a size I fire up my computer at 2 am and sometimes it will get it done. During the evening it won't work at all. It's why "lifetime maps" on some of the GPS units doesn't work for me - how in the world would I ever download a 5 gb file?? I'm lucky I got all the maps I needed on DVD several years ago! But map updates???????
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  13. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    You're right I didn't get the whole picture. You mentioned "internet/cell access" but didn't mention home internet (or not clearly).

    I do understand how it can be. Earlier this year the best connection I could get was 400 kbps, but after 30 seconds or so the speed would decrease to about half that. As you say, it's not possible to download a 5GB file. For files like that I would go to the library which have some of the better connections in a badly-connected area.
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  14. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    well the maps have to come from somewhere, whether it's paper, phone, standalone, or whatever. just order a CD/dvd and dump the .img to the device. no biggie.

    most of the time when people say "there's no network here!" they are referring to cellular service, rich they believe to be tied to gps usage in phones, somehow. it's been repeated so many times that the normal response is "it will be fine without cellular" , but your case is different, and cooler! :-)
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  15. deserteagle56

    deserteagle56 deserteagle56

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    Hey, there is hope for the future for those of us in the outback - both here and across the world. These ballons have been launching from the Winnemucca, Nevada airport for a couple years now and I understand got their first real test providing coverage to Puerto Rico after the hurricane:

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/214...ct-loon-tests-move-to-lte-band-in-nevada.html

    Do a web search for "Project Loon". Amazing stuff - I've got photos somewhere of their balloons high over the Nevada mountains. When I first saw them I didn't have a clue what was going on.
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  16. rick danger

    rick danger Off the wagon

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    Im in the same boat (almost) in upstate ny. Sat. internet sucks (hughs net or wild blue) I use my cell (with scetchy service) as a hotspot. the only thing I can do.
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  17. Addapost

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    Glad I found this! My experience needed some reinforcement. I have zero experience with gps units and am generally really bad with any technology so I realize that plays into my experience. I bought a Montana 680t 2 months ago at REI in prep for the TAT next summer. Since then I have looked at a boatload of online tutorial videos and played around with the thing for like 10-12 hours in the last month. The Result? I can turn it on. That's about it. Add to my personal lack of ability to learn anything about it, it turns out you have to buy maps for it. Yep, go ahead and flame me :) I assumed the device had maps installed or pulled maps out of the ether or wherever. In the process of trying to research how to turn the damn thing on I came across all this info on iPhone gps apps. Wait a minute! I actually CAN use gps aps on my phone. I navigate streets on Mapquest, that app is simple to use, works almost perfect, and is constantly updated. I also use MotionX for trail running, hiking, sea kayaking etc. That app too is easy to use, and also, wait for it.... FREE. Hummmmm I am seeing a trend here. iPhone gps apps are easy to use, they are cheap and garmin stuff is impossible (for me fellas) to use and friggin expensive. Ok you sold me the Garmin is going back.
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  18. deserteagle56

    deserteagle56 deserteagle56

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    You DO NOT have to buy a Garmin map! Go to gpsfiledepot.com and check out the selection there. There's other free map providers also.
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  19. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    Like Open Street Maps which a lot of the free GPS apps use. Get free Garmin-routable OSM maps at http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/.
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  20. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    open street map mentioned already is very good. gpsfiledepot also has a lot of Good maps.
    they won't help with the user interface of basecamp, the lack of Bluetooth/Wi-Fi, the lack of route editing, or the other interesting quirkiness.... but at least you'll have maps
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