Garmin Montana 650t

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by Meico640, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. Emmbeedee

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    https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=21640

    "Shaping Point - In Mapsource, to "shape" a route to go exactly where you want there are a couple of methods. Just as with the personal navigation device, you can edit the route's properties to insert Via points (these are not shaping points although they do serve a similar purpose). You can also just use the route tool to click on spots on the map to force the shape of a route. When you do that, you are using a location that is not already in one of the searchable location databases. Mapsource does not force you to add these points to any of the formal databases. It simply inserts the actual coordinates invisibly into the route. These are shaping points.

    Shaping points occur in another, automatic, fashion as well. Even when you only designate a two-point route, e.g. go from Point A to Point B, there will usually be multiple places, usually intersections, where a change in direction is required. When building the route, the personal navigation device (or Mapsource/Basecamp) will automatically include all of these points in the route.

    To easily illustrate this, you can create a two-point route in Mapsource by clicking on a Point A and a Point B that will require a few turns to get from one to the other. Now export the route to a GPX file and take a look at it with Notepad or your favorite text editor. You will see that, in addition to the starting point and the ending point, there will be a bunch of other points <rtept> in the file to control all the turns."
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  2. Britome

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  3. DRTBYK

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    There you go getting all technical and everything. . . .:evil :rofl

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    Like to buy the Montana 650 next week but I have never seen any pictures the camera makes. Can somebody post some examples or tell more about the quality? Thanks
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    I am not going to let this one die, Dan the Stud!
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Stud? Well, they did put me out to pasture a few years ago - does that count? :gerg

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    My opinion of the 650 camera is that it is a bit over saturated to the Blue/Green side. This could most likely be corrected with a software update as they have "adjusted" the camera code in the past. But, it is OK for "snapshots"

    Here are a few shots taken while moving on the bike last summer - Arches National Monument, UT, USA.

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    Here are a few quick shots around the house today - I'd like to be out on the bike but I'm grounded for a few days.

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    Last but not least, my old friend.

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  8. Mat

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    Too bad I found this thread a little after I ordered a refurbished Nokia phone to at least get good street navigation cheaply. I find Nokia's navigation and maps years ahead of Garmin's, which didn't change much in the last few years if you ask me. And a phone can be bought for less than the cheapest Nuvi unit, and includes the navigation software as well as world wide road maps, always freshly updated, for free. The maps are good, too. After all, Navteq belongs to Nokia.

    Forget about off-line route planning on the computer though. Couldn't figure out how to do that yet. Everything has to go through the damn cloud.

    Until there is an open source platform, we will be stuck with imperfect solutions that are not sufficiently customizable I guess. But it seems the Montana really looks like it is an excellent solution getting really close, so there might be another big expense coming up...

    Back on the topic of routing, why can't they just add a check box in Mapsource / basecamp to define unchangeable routes? They would require more memory than standard routes, but no one can tell me that memory in these dimensions is a problem nowadays. Since they know exactly what algorithms are used to calculate routes in all of their units as well as Mapsource / basecamp, they could minimize the amount of shape points needed.

    After all, what is the point of route planning on the computer when you can't transfer them to the GPS as they were planned?
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  9. Nata Harli

    Nata Harli Cunning Linguist

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    Thanks for the shots using the camera (I especially like the last one :D). I was wondering whether or not to get the Montana with the camera and decided to do it.

    Just ordered a Montana 650 from GPSCity. :clap:clap:clap
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  10. DRTBYK

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    The photos ought to be even better with this latest White Balance update for the Camera.

    Enjoy. . .

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  11. gregdee

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    Help! I am new to the Montana and GPS in general. I have the 24k topo's for the 4 corner states as well as the city navigator software. I am able to select individual topo's and send them to my unit. But later, if I send other topo's then the previous ones seem to not be available any more. Ideally I would like to have all of AZ, NM, CO, and UT loaded as this is where I play. It would be nice to know they are all just on the unit and not have to worry about making sure I loaded the maps I need for a specific area I may be visiting. Is this possible or are there memory limitations on the Montana that prevent this?
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  12. DRTBYK

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    Like all Garmin's, the Montana has a limit to how many map segments can be loaded and viewed. You are exceeding the limit so when you add another map one of the first ones is no longer indexed.

    Reduce the number of segments you have selected in your Four States.

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  13. Emmbeedee

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    Are you using Mapsource or MapInstall to load those maps? If Mapsource, then it's probably overwriting the previous files and removing the maps. Best to use the most recent version of MapInstall. Get the Windows version here. Or the Mac version here.
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  14. gregdee

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    I've been using MapSource. I thought that was the tool to use. I'll look into MapInstall and see if this works better. I doesn't seem to be a memory issue; whatever I write last seems to stay but everything else is gone.
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    passed on paying extra for camera features .. already carrying iphone and other cameras
    Montana 600 for me ...
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  16. DRTBYK

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    As Emmbeedee noted, the new MapInstall will solve your problem of map over-writing. The 24K Southwest region is only 1.8GB and 1794 maps segments and all of CNNA is only 162 map segments. Well short of the Montana total segment limit of 4000 segments.

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  17. Emmbeedee

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    If you prefer to continue using Mapsource, just make sure you go into the gps or sd card where you placed the map and rename it from gmapsupp.img to something else, with the extension .img. That way, when you next load maps, the new gmapsupp.img file won't overwrite the old one.

    But the latest versions of MapInstall won't cause that kind of problem.
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  18. gregdee

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    I went on a big ride on Saturday, recorded the track on my Montana 600, and then saved it with an appropriate name. Then I went to transfer it to MapSource but the only track file that transfers is the current one which is of me walking around inside my house. :hmmmmm How do I get all the tracks (or even just selected tracks) to transfer? I have selected all the options (maps, way points, routes, and tracks), and I tried variations of this but still I only get the current track.
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  19. Emmbeedee

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    Use Basecamp. Mapsource is for legacy units like the 60/76 etc.
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  20. empedrado

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    Or just open the Archive folder using explorer on your computer.
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