Given that Yuma's and Nomads start at around $4500 and counting, that's a bit more than I'm prepared to pay for waterproof. Pricing in the ballpark of a Blackberry I can live with. The norm for Juno's deployed for AM/FM field work, natural resources surveys, etc is to have them in a protective case - and/or something as simple as a ziplock bag a la the smartphone solution some guys use who want their phones up on the bars. I have used Junos up along the Portland Canal where it REALLY rains, in weather I wouldn't even consider getting on my bike, and I have yet to kill one with water. Will they stand immersion in one meter of water for 30 minutes? Probably not, but anything that puts any of my GPS units under water for 30 minutes is going to be a disaster with much greater implications for my trip and bike. A Juno is roughly around the price of a Blackberry, about the same size, runs Windows Mobile and apps, has Bluetooth, voice, and data connectivity, will natively work with shapefiles, orthophotos and other spatial data - and give 1-3m accuracy after postprocessing. It also can use GeoPDFs, a significant advance in real time map display that the military and USGS is all over, and which I happen to love due to the multilayer data display and ability to select what to display. For me, that alone puts a Juno or similar device way ahead of any Garmin out there - but, fair comment, I also have the capability to create my own GeoPDFs It is neither as rugged nor as waterproof as the Garmin Montana in its naked state, and it certainly isn't a "you should buy this instead of that" situation. But again, as a larger segment of recreational GPS users increasingly are trying to do tasks that are what would currently be considered "professional" (think of the guys out there making those custom maps some are happily downloading for their Garmins), looking at the professional products and software available is worth a look for some people. And it is hard to take that look when you don't even know the other solutions exist. In an ideal world, Garmin or DeLorme will shortly provide units that allow postprocessing of data for similar accuracy, more granular data collection and display, and maps whose features can be edited by users. I just don't think that is going to happen anytime in the near future, and I live in an area where much of the riding is in areas where the map cultural data hasn't been updated since 1977. That is significant when a road can appear and disappear around here in ten year's time. Doesn't matter whether it is DeLorme, Garmin... they all get most of their cultural map data from the federal government, so if you want accurate map data around here, you need another solution. Anyways, this is turning into a hijack of the Montana thread. So I'll close by saying it simply comes down to evaluating the different tools available and deciding what to go with. There is no question that for most people, that will be a Garmin of some flavour or other. But the more we move towards demanding professional results from our GPS/GIS systems, the more we should consider evaluating professional tools and not just limit ourselves to evaluating recreational tools.