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Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.
Uh...well, uh... The New Garmin Monterra (not a typo) thread.
I got used Montana 600 on ebay for a good price. The seller promised it would come with North America, Europe, and Africa map. Well, when I got the GPS in package today, the SD card is missing but I can see the map on GPS. When I try to run a route from my home to a city few hours away, I get No Routable Roads error message.
Do the Montana need SD card to run routable road or is it something I am missing? Unfortunately, the only thing that I got was the GPS and the power cord, no usb and manual. No original box or anything like that. I'll have to get usb cable at later time when eBay Bucks start- I have more than enough to use up to get usb cable for free.
I remember that after I paid to get North America map for my 60CSx, someone on here told me to save my money next time to download OpenSource map? Any recommend? Thanks!
Congratulations on your acquisition of a Montana GPS. It is a great device!
The Montana includes a base map. For road navigation, you will need to provide some routable maps for the Montana. Those routable maps can be stored either on the GPS or on a µSD card that you can load into the GPS.
There are several options for routable maps. You can purchase Garmin's City Navigator North America (CNNA) NT map set, or you can opt to download and use some of the free Open Street Map project maps. I have loaded both map sets on my µSD card, but I mainly use the CNNA maps.
CNNA NT maps at GPS City
Open Street Maps
It is possible that you have routable maps on the GPS, but do not have them enabled. On the GPS, select the map button, press the "menu" button (the three horizontal lines), and then select "Setup Map." Select the "Map Information | Select Map" button. You should see a list of the maps installed on the unit, and which of those maps are enabled or disabled. Selecting a map will open a panel that allows you to enable or disable the map. I suggest you ensure a routable map is available and enabled.
You may also want to examine the directories on the GPS to see whether a map (other than the base map) is loaded on the GPS. Plug the GPS into the computer, let your computer recognize it, then navigate the the \GARMIN folder. You should see a file called gmapbmap.img. That will be the base map for the unit. You should also see a file named gmaptz.img, which is the time zone map. If you see additional files with the file extension of .IMG, those should be additional map sets on the GPS.
In case you have not discovered it yet, the Montana Wiki and BaseCamp Wiki are good resources to help you get familiar with both products. The Garmin Montana help videos on YouTube are also worthwhile.
Thanks!! I am looking forward to using the Montana once my Sportster is completed in few months.
I tried your suggested and no dice so I went and visited the link you provided. I suspect that the seller's claim was not accurate. He was claiming to have over $300 value of maps in the GPS when in fact I think it was actually Open Source map that was not routable? Every time I tried different city, it would give me a straight line from my location to the city with no direction.
I'll start experiment it using my truck until I can get my bike going so I will be familiar with it before I mount it on my bike. Easier to play with it in my truck than on a bike.
The JaVaWa Device Manager will tell you what maps are installed...
One of the best ways (and safest!) to get familiar with a gps is to use it while you are a passenger in a car/truck!!
Have you considered changing your routing activity to something other than direct?
Thanks for the tip to save me time of searching on map. Yes, you are correct on being a passenger. No worry, I live in the country and hardly any traffic out here, though. But good point there!
Thanks for pointing that out and I tried it too but no dice. I switched it from Direct Route to Motorcycle and getting error message Not Routable Roads.
Yes I had seen that before, but forgot about it at the time it was happening.
I swapped the screen protectors, and can select things normally now. I did perform a Master Reset prior to departing on the trip (week long run to CO for the Tenere rally). I haven't had a chance to test again since swapping the protector...
Ok, have you looked at other options?
Not yet. I ran it for a bit on Friday, but didn't have the issue again.
I did my first test ride with montana yesterday. Now there are few things I'm wondering.
I made the route first with Tyre and sent it directly to montana. Then I opened the route with basecamp and checked if garmins routing algorithm is anywhere near the one google uses. ATV/offroad calculation seemed to give the closest match. I removed one unneccesary waypoint and saved the route.
Now I could open the route with montana but there was no edit option on route planner. Is this normal that you can't edit routes made with basecamp?
On the route, start and end are next to my parking place. When I sarted driving and joined the road which had the start and stop points montana stopped navigating and cleared the current route. You should not put the end point on your route so that you will drive close to it in the beginning?
I had put few waypoints in inaccessible roads. Is there a easy way to skip a waypoint? One time I was able to go around the waypoint and on to the route after the waypoint. Montana still tried to guide me back. When I pushed stop navigating and loaded the route again. I was able to continue without going through that one missed waypoint. Is this the only way?
I used the "North up" mode and the device was mounted horizontal. Sometimes before turns it went to vertical mode and displayed something. Maybe a closeup picture of the next turn or something?
Sorry if these things are already discussed somewhere.
Yes, they have all been discussed, but to save you the trouble of reading all 8,673 posts :eek1, I can answer some.
Only DIRECT routes transferred to the Montana are editable and reversible. So, many of us fiddle with the route in automotive or motorcycle mode in BC to get it to route the way we want, then change it to Direct before sending it over. If your maps, activity profiles, and avoidances are identical, you will usually get the same route when the Montana calculates it.
Yes, you should not have beginning and end points near each other, usually 100 to 200 meters away will work.
No, with any autorouting map and profile, you cannot skip waypoints unless you do what you did. Someone else may have a way, but I don't.
Try locking your screen orientation to horizontal (that's totally separate from North Up or Track Up). I use vertical exclusively, and I have never seen the next turn popup go horizontal.
Read the WIKI! Several times each for BC and the Montana! Many questions are answered there:
It's a complex instrument, but wonderful when the learning curve is over with.
All my previous GSP-devices (tomtom for symbian, automapa for windows CE, and Navigon) had this "skip waypoint" feature. I had to use it quite often. I hope someone finds a way to do it.
It seems that I have a lot of reading to do.
Apologise if this has been covered before.
I run two profiles on my Montana:
Topo mapping with shortcuts to tracks and track manager for off road.
City Navigator and different shortcuts for on road.
I went riding at the weekend to do a preride and record a track for an upcoming group ride, I was in my Topo profile and selected Track "record and show on map", I had arranged to meet up with a mate to run part of the course together and so switched profiles to my City Navigator one to find his address then flicked back to Topo profile when we hit the dirt again. When I got home I had a gap in my recorded track and then I realised the Track record option is individually selectable for each profile you run and off course it was selected off on my City Navigator profile.
So beware if you use profiles make sure all selections are set correctly in each profile.
Yep all part of getting acquainted with your Montana.
One thing I do is set up a couple of default profiles with items I mostly use then customize from there.
Also remember you only need to have one map set enabled too. (in your different profiles)
Pretty slick little unit the Montana is.
Yes, and if you turn tracking on in a profile that normally does not have it on, and then do not turn it off BEFORE switching to another profile, then it will always be turned on when you switch back to that profile until you turn it off again and THEN switch profiles.
This happens to me all the time because I normally have tracking OFF in all profiles. Kind of annoying, eh?:huh
Annoying? Not at all...at least you have the option. I'd much rather have the capability than having someone trying to second guess me or "protect" me from myself.
They do make nuvi's for folks that shouldn't change settings - 'cause there are no settings to change.
Yes, my brother has one.....
Never say never... I think the "side effect" I found by enabling both Topo24k and CNNA looks cooler than only flat CNNA views, IMHO: