Garmin - Route (partly) outside included roads

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by pingvin, Dec 20, 2012.

  1. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    Agree with part of this. I do love my 376c

    Navigating tracks is not an issue for me on my 60csx or 376c. I just glance at the screen every now and then and see what's coming up. I have no problems with zooming in/out, but then again I leave it zoomed in pretty far.

    And if you really want to have fun, the 376c will navigate a track as well. :thumb
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  2. Albie

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    You're very much in the minority. I've ridden with plenty of people that constantly have to back track because they missed turns following both tracks and routes. Some of them on STREET rides even. Then of course there were the 2 guys I know that wrecked because they were staring down at their GPS tracks instead of watching where they were riding. :lol3

    The only sure way not to miss turns is voice prompts from routes.
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    -1.

    I gave up on routes several years ago because of many problems with routing and I now use tracks for bike trips.

    I was recently on a business trip with two guys who were using routing with audible directions for simple navigating around a city. The unit was giving ridiculous directions and which got even worse when the driver properly ignored them.

    I guess there must some secrets to making routing work, but I have never found them.
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  5. advNZer?

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    you doing it wrong then.My brother and i went on a big trip in australia last year.i was not fussed with having a gps but my brother has a garmin 2xxx.He got new maps before we went and plotted the whole route.We could easily have done the trip without the gps outside of Sydney but it was invaluable in getting into(and out of) Sydney and back to the rental car place
    .It may not have taken us the most direct or "best" way but it got us there,and got us back on course when we missed one turn at a busy intersection.
    It would have been a much more difficult(and stressful) process without it.We had voice propmts all the way so i just had to concentrate on dealing with the traffic and driving, and the gps did the navigating.
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  6. DockingPilot

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    Lets not confuse a custom uploaded route to a on the fly, gps generated, auto recalcing route.
    Big diff.

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  7. pingvin

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    Satnavs are great for riding in big cities you don't know and autorouting helps you when you miss that turn. Same for getting you from A to B the simplest way...which is what most satnavs are designed for.

    But my thread here was about using routes in unmapped areas. As it's still riding (unmapped) roads, following a track shouldn't be a problem, simply check GPS at every intersectionand glane down every now and then checking that on track.

    But used to routes and seems possible both generating mixed routes in mapsource and download to GPS...just have to buy a Montana :) So will give this a try.
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  8. 9Dave

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    Very much disagree.

    Almost Every major event I have ridden has distributed track information because it doesn't change, unlike routes, which change when recalc'd, and are worthless if someone gives you one that was developed with a different data set.

    There was one event I rode where the organizers created a custom mapset for Garmin and then loaded that. They had played with the road specs to convert their track to a road, and then load that. While it was good because it worked, it sucked because they wiped out your mapset on units that only had a limited basemap.

    And if you are on a street ride, you shouldn't have a problem with missing roads and having to connect sections, which is what the OP asked about.

    As for voice prompts, you are assuming the use of a unit with audio output capability, and the rider using a headset, or speakers.

    But it all comes down to the "different strokes for different folks". I'll stick with what I have for now.
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  9. DockingPilot

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    Ah, Dave brings up point and another difference.
    Are you going on a single or multi day trip, be it adventure or road, you, a few friends with GPS units like yours ?
    A route you built is the way to go for reasons given above. Its more mental work involved pre trip, but way less once executed.

    Going to or hosting a DS event like Dave mentions and the masses are involved ?
    A track is your only option.

    But again, we are talking about 2 different animals here. Ill say that most guys use tracks, its just easier to share the intended way or route, between guys. Just about any good GPS will let you follow a track-line and it doesn't matter what version map-set it has on it. Meaning, lets say you have a 2009 map-set and your friend has a 2012 map-set. If you build a route, like I advocate, on your 2009 map-set in Mapsource for example, and email your friend that route, his GPS with the 2012 map-set will puke it out. Error: "MAPS DO NOT MATCH" "WANT TO RECALCULATE" ?
    Of course if he pushes yes, the unit will destroy the route. Ill explain what is needed to remedy this later.
    You don't have to worry about any of this with a shared track. The GPS will just ingest it. However, thats all it will do. You are left to staring at the screen to make sure "your on track" .
    I need reading glasses, so for me on a huge, 2,500 mile, 14 day trip, this just takes my attention away from the landscape a little too much. And if I have a plane ticket waiting on me at the end of the trip, say like this years trip, in Reno, I can casually, glance at the ETA through out the trip to get a idea of how we are progressing. I also get "Distance to next turn". Huge. Example and there are many of them, TAT, Oklahoma, we make a turn onto this slick dirt road through the prairie grass, "Distance to next turn" 45 miles". Nice, I can pilot the bike taking in the landscape and not have to worry about blowing by a turn as I was gawking at the stark surroundings. And, thats not to say, the road I'm on wont twist or turn and fork, it could, but you know just stay on that road and your good as the GPS counts down to the next turn.
    But a route does require more pre-trip work.
    So, how do you share a route between GPS's that have different map-set versions ? This is where the work comes in. Like I said earlier, you cant just grab someones track-line and run it. You need to create your route. So you email your friend your route made on a 2009 map-set in Map-source but he runs 2012. He opens it in Mapsource which it will do no problem. He then has to re-create the route, simply going over the top of your route, in essence, copying it. And there is more then 1 way to do this. But once he is done, you both have the same route built on your own map-set versions.
    Way easier, and me and my friends now do this, if you all have Garmins Lifetime Updates. Then your all on the same, latest, maps and sharing a route is as simple as sharing a track.

    Clear as mud I'm sure :confused
    All I can say is we have been on many off road, complicated routes over the years, and we never loose time going off course or lost anyone in the group.

    Its a personal choice, both work, it just comes down to what you are doing ride wise, and willing to do and want from your GPS. What I typed is just an opinion. Not right or wrong.

    But to answer the OP's question, YES, you can make a route with mixed, mapped and unmapped sections.
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    The real issue is what is your gps capable of handling and that will determine which method is best.

    With a group ride you then need to be sure everyone's unit will handle the same stuff.

    The only way I can trust my 60csx with routes mixed between auto and direct is converting them to direct with wingdb.

    Using tracks, the proper zoom level is key to not missing turns.

    getting some glasses with progressive lenses helps with the 60 screen....:evil
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    Hi Dave! you guys get blanketed with snow last night ?
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    getting it now and not stop until 10-14" in this area, more further from the coast.:D snow in forcast until Sunday...
    tis the season for 685 kit in KLR....

    bought a 48" snowblower last yr...fun machine....
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    Nice!! Your good man Dave with a wonderful family. I'm proud to say I know you. Have a good New Year my freind.
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    You can disagree all you want. Everything I stated is simple fact . I don't do "events", I just ride a shit load. 10's of thousands of miles with GPS's. I do my OWN routes and don't need to depend on someone else to spoonfeed me a route . I'd hate to see you try and ride doing 100+ MPH staring at your track. :rofl
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  15. 9Dave

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    WTF are you doing riding 100+mph and paying attention to a GPS? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. But that is me.

    From the way the OP stated the question, it sounded like the situation one encounters when routing over something like the TAT, where there are missing sections of roads - not on some bonzai road run.

    The responses he's received from those of us who ride similar stuff - at posted speeds or below - address those kind of issues.
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  16. Albie

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    Voice prompts. :D
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