Garmin Update!

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by BMW Kurt, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. BMW Kurt

    BMW Kurt Picker of Tunes

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    I just spent 24 hours downloading the new maps for my Garmin 660 into Mapsource and when I tried to install it said Error installing maps please try again!

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  2. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    :eek1
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  3. 9Dave

    9Dave Bazinga!

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    How fast is your internet connection?

    With broadband (Roadrunner at 10 meg) I think mine ususally take about 30 to 45 minutes. I just set it up and walk away.
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    DaveyMac AARP Trail Rider

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    Kurt, did you do it with Garmin Express ?
    I had nothing but failures, Then I used old Garmin Map Updater = JOY.
    If you need a copy pm me, I'll either e-mail it to you or open up a link to my Sky Drive.
    Dave :deal
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  5. BMW Kurt

    BMW Kurt Picker of Tunes

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    Finally got it loaded. I have DSL and usually the downloads take about 7 or 8 hours. This one took more than 24. Then it told me that my GPS did not have enough memory to hold the maps and I should use an SD card. I had an 8GB SD card loaded.

    One question, though. I do have some OSM maps of Mexico and Central America loaded that I no longer need. Does anyone know how to delete a map set from the device?
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  6. Mr. Canoehead

    Mr. Canoehead Taste Gunnels!

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    I often say that it's called "Garmin Lifetime Update" because it takes a lifetime to apply one update. :rofl

    There is a bug when applying a new map that it tells you that there isn't enough room but if you delete the old map first, there is lots of room on the device. Pretty stupid that their utility isn't smart enough to figure that out.

    Garmin needs to hire a few Apple people to work out their user friendliness issues.

    You can manage old maps from Mapsource or by directly deleting them from the device.
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  7. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    I go to the library where installs (to the GPS only) take only 3 or 4 hours. That does mean that I have to download Express each time before I download the updates, but at least a download is possible at the library. (That is, I use the library's Windows computer, not their wi-fi.)

    Last time I did it the download froze with supposedly 15 minutes left, but a second try worked. About 5 hours total (and I consider myself lucky).

    I have the same ISP and hardware as the NY billionaires down the road, but one tenth of a megabyte per second is the fastest I've seen here.
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  8. BMW Kurt

    BMW Kurt Picker of Tunes

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    :lol3 Agreed!!!!!!
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  9. BMW Kurt

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    I still can't figure out how to delete a mapset from the device. Anybody smarter than me? :huh
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  10. Cerberus83

    Cerberus83 The Wingman

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    Well, I just got Zumo 665LM and I have to say that compared to TomTom's Home, both Express and Garmin Map Updater completely blow... over an hour for a map update? Seriously?? And this is on a 20MB cable connection...

    The best part was when I first installed Express it said I had two updates: 1) firmware 2.80 and 2) map update for North America (2013.40 I believe); however, after I did the firmware update I no longer got an update for the map. Moreover, the firmware still keeps showing as an "update" after I had already updated Zumo w/ it (??). On top of all this, once I launched Garmin Map Updater, I got a notification to "reinstall" NA map if I choose to do so (which I'm currently in the process of doing).

    I still like the 665, but I honestly hope dropping almost $700 on a GPS is/was worth it (compared to cheaper options out there)...
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  11. BMW Kurt

    BMW Kurt Picker of Tunes

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    I just spent 12 more hours updating with garmin Express. After 12 hours it told me I did not have enough space for the maps. :baldy

    I have an 8GB microSD installed so I don't really know what the problem is. Any of you GPS gurus have any advice??? :ear
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  12. sonic578

    sonic578 Been here awhile

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    More than once I've gotten help from garmin customer service updating my 660. They have always been very helpful in getting their sucky software to work!
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  13. BMW Kurt

    BMW Kurt Picker of Tunes

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    I have Lifetime Updater and it tells me my device is up to date. Garmin Express tells me it is out of date. You would think Garmin could get their shit together.

    Garmin Express just showed up on my computer one day. I don't remember downloading and installing it. :scratch
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  14. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    Kurt, why use Express? It seems buggy and problematic, with no advantage.

    I have some lifetime maps too, and I use Garmin Map Updater 3.1.19 and it works fine, allowing me to update both the GPS unit and my hard drive.
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  15. BustinJustin

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    +1 on using Map Update instead of Express. That's what Garmin support told me to use to fix corrupt maps as well. Seems that perhaps Express can't install maps from scratch or something where Map Update can.

    Kurt, even though you installed the SD card that doesn't mean that the Garmin will use it. How much space do you have free on the SD and on the in-unit memory? You should be able to see this in Windows Explorer or Finder.

    Remember that when you add the SD card it's a totally separate file system from the built-in memory on the unit (ie you can still easily be out of memory on the in-unit card even after adding an SD). I had to do some hacky stuff to get Map Update to install a map to a 16 GB card that I added.

    Basically I deleted the map on the in-unit memory (using Finder on OS X), then had to trick Map Update into thinking the Garmin in-unit memory was full (Map Update, at least the version that I used would only give an option to install to an SD card when it thinks the in-unit memory is too full to handle it).

    To trick Map Update I used a unix utility called "dd" to create a big, essentially blank file that I copied to the in-unit memory. Then the Garmin believed that the in-unit memory was full, and Map Update gave me an option to install to the SD card.

    Finally after the install I deleted the big blank file that I created on the Garmin in-unit memory.

    Now I have the map installed on the SD card (which still has lots of free space) and the Garmin in-unit memory also has lots of extra room to play with.

    This is something the user really shouldn't have to do, but Garmin creates really bad software products. Hopefully they'll improve or Google will create a nice android-based GPS for us to play with in the future and kick Garmin out of the market. Good luck, let us know how you figure it out!
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  16. BMW Kurt

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    Thanks, Bustin! That was just the info I was looking for. I removed the SD card and plugged it in strait and it was totally empty. Gonna play around with it and see what I can twiddle with.
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  17. QSrider

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    My Garmin manual says that my GPS cannot take more than a certain size of SD card (can't remember what it is from the top of my head). Like you it wasn't working and after the fact found the answer in the booklet after reading their FAQ on the garmin website. So sometimes bigger is not better ;)
    Good luck.
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  18. Cerberus83

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    Not sure which model you have, but the official Garmin response to Zumo 66x model is 8GB max. There was an update released a month or two ago that supposed to fix the SD card issue (it did) so I suggest you have the most recent firmware update installed. Most people I "talked to" are running 16 or 32GB card and I'm actually running 32GB myself in my Zumo 665LM without any problems (routes and MP3s).

    As for automatic updates, I used Garmin Express and then switched to Garmin Map Updater v3.1.20. I think I had a better luck with Map Updater, but in all fairness, I didn't really give Express too much chance, because I stopped the update process since I thought it was taking too long (Updater took a long time as well) - learning pains, I suppose.

    Also, I noticed that once you update your GPS with the most recent map/fw, it will take some time (not sure how many minutes/hours) for the server to update your status. So once you update your GPS, just let it reboot and don't hook it back to PC right away. Otherwise, if you hook it backup after the update, Garmin Express (and even Updater) will show that you have a new Firmware/Map update available, even though, you just updated it. Wait some time after the update, hook it up to the PC, run Express (mainly to back it up or you can do it manually) and the "new update available" message will disappear. Again, learning pains...
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  19. Downs

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    Whenever it asks you where you want to install the maps always chose "install to computer" or something like that, you will probably have to go into setting to change this option. It will load the maps into mapsource or basecamp the you can use the map loading features in those programs to upload them into your GPS. :freaky
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  20. BMW Kurt

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    I have selected install to computer and device. Maybe I should install to computer only and then use Mapsource to load the GPS.
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