GasGas School of Champions

Discussion in 'Trials' started by MT 007, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. MT 007

    MT 007 Been here awhile

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    I really thought that too until IXPA tried that and didn't have much luck then when Honda introduced bikes at $1,500 more than everyone else they sold (locally) better than Sherco, GG, or Beta ??? not to mention people buy titanium Vertigo's as trail bikes ??? I'm just glad I'm a rider not a seller... although as somebody who tries to put on 5 events a year (I will note they are free no license required or entry fee) I would do just about anything to help bike sales... I think the nuttiest thing I did was let the guys take my trials bike to a local street bike rally to let a couple thousand Harley riders give it a try - one poor guy ended up with a fractured tail bone... next time I will stick with a rider demo instead of demo rides.
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    Thank you Fakenews for your well phrased response.

    As I suspected, you are more than qualified to represent the corporate side of GasGas. Although I have to question your choice of location. I lived in Fargo ND, right across the Red River from Minnesota, and Nobody rides motorcycles half the year there. Also, why not base near a port city, since your product comes from Europe ? Shipping back East would needlessley double the transportation effort.

    Your time to explain the corporate thinking will be well rewarded. I do not think there is anything more important to a company than their reputation. I am not sure GasGas's trials can be rescued but someone has to try.

    Your explanation of not eliminating small dealers seems lacking to me. "Starting with a clean slate" sounds like you fired all dealers, big and small. Stupid dealer requirements next. Insurance is the dealer's choice. You should not dictate what risks he may take. If you are worried about liability up the line, you get insurance for that. Not lean on the dealer. The detached garage rule is also stupid. For example, I have a large barn, near major highways, that is about 8 times larger than Jack's Cycles facility - one of the higher volume dealers in New England. It is attached to my house by a connector - from the old days, when the farmer wanted to milk cows but not go outside. But I would not qualify because of the attachment. I would not care if a dealer dealt out of his box truck. Might make the bike affordable. Also I know who to call to fix it when it breaks. Parts should be warehoused nationally (as they are now) reducing the need for dealer parts inventory.

    Parts support for older bikes is ignored at great risk. I guess you have to believe that the big money infusion will last long enough for you to ride and then resell your new bike. That's what I would be hoping if I was forced to buy one. But what a company does once, it will do again. Buyer beware.

    Why not supply the consumables at least ? There is money in it, and the "new company" must have the best access to tooling and vendors. There are GasGas bikes no longer ridden because of ignition issues. So make some stators.
    You should start there, because the US supply is gone and there is money to be made, as well as saving of the GasGas reputation.

    Some effort needs to be made . Nobody expects a full stock of old parts for all models. But None ? Does not cut it.

    Are you in charge of operations for the Enduro division too ? I am wondering if keeping the trials line (on a minimal level) is a stepping stone to other types. Enduro has the added practicality of having street legal transportation. I see the attraction - I have KTMs too. What proportion of GasGas business is enduro vs. trials ?

    Fantic went to scooters and small road bikes. KTM developed from 2 stroke engine supplier to enduro, mx and then adventure bikes. That path sure worked for them.

    In deference to the OP regarding sponsorship: Good move GasGas. The more the better. Maybe publicize it more when giving awards. Having a dealer hand out awards with 50/50 participation from higher up seems like a good system with proper incentives for everyone. Any goodies for winning racers stimulate the sport though - have not seen any sponsorship I did not like.

    One common marketing/promotional deal used in other motorcycle racing series is "Manufacturer Bucks". Dunlop is big on this in road racing. Lots of my friends earned "Dunlop Bucks". You get awards according to how prestigious the win is and spend them on new Dunlops. The awards in low level classes can be small. The recognition and attention to the brand is what is important.
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  3. MT 007

    MT 007 Been here awhile

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    Rethinking this .... the guys buying the expensive bikes are all old like over 50 type old... A cheap entry level bike to get youth started like a 125 for $3k might be just what the sport needs... wouldn't have to be leading edge just a good reliable bike to start out on to get them hooked.
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    MT 007 Been here awhile

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    What price point do people think would have people flocking to the sport? You look at how many $6k mountain bikes are sold but then realize those are being bought by 50 yr old men in lycra... so if the target is young riders, would availability of $3k to $4k bikes do it? - I mean there are second hand bikes that run it that price range so not sure if it is just price ???
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    No, he stole MY avatar!
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    I was just gonna say, when the Beta Zero debuted in 1990 it was $5000 and a buddy bought one. When I bought my 2003 Pro, I think it was just slightly more.
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    That's why they offered the Economy model.
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    Hey, I resemble that remark. Well, I wish I was 50 again...
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    Hate to tell you guys, the only youth that have a chance of riding are children of existing riders. Not some new parent watching, thinking this is cool. 99 % of Millennials can't drive a standard transmission car, let alone think about a motorcyle for themselves or there children.
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    I don't know... I get what you're saying as far as millennials go, but I started riding around 1985 (I was 10), and while my dad had gone through a motorcycle spell many years before, it wasn't like he had a huge love of bikes (although he did of cars). In fact, he thought it was a pretty horrible idea, but he still bought me a bike. That's probably the exception though, and it wasn't like he had zero interest in all things motorized, which obviously plays a part. Yeah, now that I think about it, we're screwed...
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    Arizona is adding a Super Senior class this year. What does that tell ya? :cry
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    I'm guessing there will be a few extreme sport junkies that will cross over. Still doesn't mean they will ever enter a competition. Good thing there isn't a Strava for trials riding, it's sucked the life out of real bicycle racing.
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  13. MT 007

    MT 007 Been here awhile

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    My parents hated the idea of motorcycles I asked them for one daily from the age of 7 until I was 15 when I was finally "allowed" to get my first dirtbike. I worked hard to save up the money to pay for it myself. I learned how to take the bike apart and put it back together again. I rode that bike just about every day... I just always seemed to have a passion for motorcycles. Maybe it was just the times, there were comic books with motorcycle heroes, Evil Knievel, the Fonze, 007... Just a real cool culture around cars and bikes that seems to have fallen by the wayside - The current culture for kids seems to be "if I could hurt myself why would I do it" that is actually a quote from my daughter when she was 7 and I was trying to interest her in riding her brothers crf50.

    I personally believe this is a really bad trend, kids are not being encouraged to take risks in a reasonable way when they are young then when they hit their late teens they go out and do really stupid things without understanding what risk is... I could rant on but I don't have the answers. I do think the more we can do to work together to promote dirt bike riding (trials in particular) the better, and for more reasons than it is just pure fun to do !

    I applaud GG NA for bringing "School of Champions" to NA and am glad I started this thread to help promote it and spark a good discussion.
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    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    This continues as very interesting reading! Lots of experience talking here. I'm impressed.

    Price: I'm amazed we can get such excellent product for ~$8k. Trials is low market volume. Only when margins are decent enough for manufacturers will they keep on plugging away at low volumes.

    Had the volume been higher, the Economic Borg, the Chinese, would have by now hollowed things out.

    Yesterday I received a Delphi in-tank lift pump for my Dodge Cummins direct from Delphi in Illinois! Why did I choose Delphi? Hours of study on the reputation of Airtex and Precision, etc. with a reputation for defective or shorter life. Buy Delphi, they said, not cheap Chinese stuff.

    Unpacking... Hmm the box is classic thin Chinese cardboard... Yup, there it is. Made in China! Delphi too has apparently become another hollowed out shell, a distribution entity. Low low prices!

    Please continue to be willing to pay for Eurostuff and do not fall to cheaper is always better. Our motorcycling culture is not threatened by price, but buy other factors, from well monied environmentalists to demographic and social changes.

    Look at what soft-palmed youth are willing to pay for in cell phones, fashion, and body transportation.

    How the Euros hang in there considering high labor costs just amazes me. It's a testament, perhaps, to older and more resilient cultures?

    Please keep it up, GasGas, Sherco, Beta, etc.