GCBAR - Grand Canyon Backcountry Adventure Route - The Complete Route

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  1. dave6253

    dave6253 GCBAR Explorer

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    Yes. You can probably get there in an hour or so on the most direct route to the highway. If you go through Point Sublime and the road is open, add about 3 or 4 hours.
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  2. GO_OUTSIDE!

    GO_OUTSIDE! dirty hippie

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    From Crazy Jugs? Are you sure? Google is saying 3 hours from Jacobs Lake on highways. I dont know what the route from Jacobs to Crazy Jugs is like but Im pretty sure it doesnt take time off. :-)
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    I think Dave misread your question as North Rim instead of South Rim.

    My less-than-expert answer would be maybe but why. It looks like doing it the fastest way possible on paved roads would take 4-5 hours.
    So that gives you 2-3 hours for a little sightseeing.

    It was interesting. I first created a route in Basecamp and it went straight across the canyon and the river on hiking trails.
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    dave6253 GCBAR Explorer

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    Yep. I misread it. Why would anyone want to get from Crazy Jugs to the South Rim skipping everything in between? Oh. I see a woman is involved. The highways are all pretty fast. I could get to Phoenix in 7 hours from Crazy Jugs. The South Rim will be no problem.
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    GO_OUTSIDE! dirty hippie

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    Yes, I agree.
    My plan now looks more like leave walnut creek Wed morning and try to make toroweap or crazy jugs by Thursday evening. Then take my time getting to South Rim by Saturday lunch.
    On a side note I took my klr to a construction site on my way home yesterday and rode some of the graded fill dirt hills and plowed fields. I was very impressed by my new suspension and those fully inflated gripsters. I even rode off a 2' drop I had expected to be a slope landing nose first on the front end and rode it out without much trouble! I'm not sure how that grey fill dirt (reminds me of crush and run) compares to the silt and sand of the grand canyon, but I am considering taking those gripsters again.
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  6. PeterKaa

    PeterKaa Been here awhile

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    Hi all, I'm heading out again Wednesday from LA.

    Any reports on road conditions this year?

    Plan is to go from Mesquite and east.
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    There are a few more attractions on or near the loop. Attached are some excerpts from the Great Western Trail.

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    GO_OUTSIDE! dirty hippie

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    The road from Fredonia to crazy Juggs and to toroweap are in good shape. There is a section after the supai reservation that is a little tricky if you head that way. But that was three weeks ago and it is monsoon season.
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    At first the statement "The road from Fredonia to Crazy Jugg and Toroweap..." didn't make sense since they are in different directions and are separated by Kanab Wash.

    But it sounds like you can get from Toroweap to the North Rim area without going all the way back to Fredonia. I guess there must a way across Kanab Wash up at the north end.

    I do see a road on an Indian reservation. Is that the one?

    I would think needing gas would also force you to go into Fredonia.
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    I crossed here: 36° 51.861'N 112° 34.724'W, gas up at Pipe Springs. Locked gates are a problem around that area.
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    GO_OUTSIDE! dirty hippie

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    Road's sorry.
    As in the two separate stretches of dirt you would encounter if you were to travel from the highway to Crazy Juggs OR Toroweap.

    As was mentioned earlier however, watch the weather. A good rain storm can leave you trapped until the road dries.
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    Thanks for the info. I will put these in my bag of tricks.

    It looks like the crossing is the one I saw on the Indian reservation. We have only been west on 389 from the main Torweep road once. I didn't remember the gas station. But it was about 35 degrees and raining hard. We had to turn back from going to Toroweap about 35 miles down the main dirt road due to bad mud.

    Given our preference for motels and the long distances out there, I imagine we will always be stopping in Kanab.
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    Scott,

    I assume you are talking about Nagles Crossing?

    Do I have Pipe Springs Gas in the correct location? Didn't notices rider of Track I have stopped 10 minutes there.

    Can you e-mail me any active logs to improve my file?

    Russ called about legal help of Kevin. I told him good luck, I have spent thousands, he is on his own.

    Unfiltered file is available on GpsXchange.com

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    I don't know the name of that spot, but it's on "Magles Road" per Google Maps, which matches the location of your "Nagles Crossing" waypoint. Your "Booze Crossing" is where the powerlines cross. There is no road or trail crossing there. The only road crossing south of the highway is at your "Nagles Crossing" spot.

    Your Pipes Springs gas station is correct. There is also a campground just North of the gas station.

    I don't have an active log there, but we came down Magles Rd from the highway to get to the crossing, and continued South then East to Jacob Lake.
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    Little update.
    The alt loop into mesquite is in terrible condition, if alone on a big bike it's just a bad day.
    I rode up it, last 4 miles it would've been easier to carry the bike up - took me 3 hrs.

    Other than that everything is in good shape, dry mud tracks but otherwise things look good.
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    Thanks Peter. I plan to be back up there soon.
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    I'll do Kanab, crazy jug to north rim in a few minutes.

    I'll let you know what things look like when i have wifi again.
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    Ok.
    Road to toroweap is rideable.

    272 right by crazy jug pt. Is pretty shit.

    Pt. Sublime trail is open and rideable with some finesse..
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    Peter,

    Enjoying our comments. Good luck on your trip. It is my favorite.

    So is the alternate into Mesquite Elbow Canyon? That's how the track is labelled.

    Since you rode up it I assume you were actually going out of Mesquite. We did it on 650 class bikes a few years ago and it was pretty difficult then.

    Easy to imagine that it could have degraded some.
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    Hi,

    I'm actually using your GPX files.

    Yes, out of Mesquite and up, it's hell on a big bike with gear for 10 days - do not attempt.

    Used your tracks from kanab to north rim, via jumpup point, road is pretty good, except for a spot on the 272 by crazy jugs and some spots on the point sublime trail.
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