Genuine Scooter, what about them?

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  1. damasovi

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    Hi, the other I went to my local vespa and other brand scooter place. I was taking a look at what they have and I saw a Stella and I was all over it, like it a lot, fit and finish.. Then I didn’t see a Vespa/Piaggio logo and saw Genuine, so my question is, are they good? I never heard of them so that is why I was asking.

    Thanks

    Dámaso
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  2. tortoise2

    tortoise2 Been here awhile

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    Specific Genuine model? Performance expectations? Too lazy to Google?
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  3. JoshM

    JoshM 2015 Wee-Strom

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    US based, Taiwan built. Stella and Buddy most popular.
    Buddy = 50cc, 125cc, 170cc
    Stella = 150cc, 4spd manual (and new auto)

    Pretty good dealer network. I think I see more Buddies around my area than any other particular scoot.

    Seem to be well built and reliable. I would have bought a Buddy but it's a very small/compact scoot.
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  4. damasovi

    damasovi Long timer

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    it is a generic question about opinions from anybody and specially owners.

    The Stella is the one that got my eye.

    Thanks!
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  5. Oldenuftaknowbetter

    Oldenuftaknowbetter Been here awhile

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    The Stellas are built in India by a company that used to build Vespas under license. The Stellas are sold all over the world under a different name that escapes me at the moment.

    Other Genuine scooters are built by PGO in Taiwan, and are well made.

    I have a Genuine Buddy 170i and couldn't be happier.

    Check out the Modern Buddy website/forum for more feedback on the Genuine scooters.
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  6. k-moe

    k-moe Long timer

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    lml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohia_Machinery_Limited
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  7. JoshM

    JoshM 2015 Wee-Strom

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    That's cool to know! I thought (assumed) all of their products were from Taiwan.
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  8. Chillis

    Chillis Land Barge Pilot

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    I had a Rattler 50. Loved the bike as it was of good quality and a stylish design. If I can find a Rattler 110 it could be just the ticket.
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  9. jw18

    jw18 fail

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    I have two Buddy's, a Black Jack and a 125cc red one. Both 2009 models.

    My friends and I constantly take them out for rides around Birmingham the shortest being a 120+ loop. Both scoots have performed flawlessly even towing around one of my friends that is almost 280lbs! I can't personally speak about any other model, but the Buddy's are hard to beat for a basic scooter that will keep up with traffic. No issues maintaining 55 and carrying a bunch of stuff to boot.
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  10. longhaul747

    longhaul747 Been here awhile

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    Genuine is basically an importer for PGO out of Taiwan and for LML out of India.

    At the moment Genuine is the most stable importer and they now have enough clout to convince the manufactures to come up with special models just for the US market. The Hooligan 170i is there latest effort.

    Its my understanding the Genuine has a pretty solid fan base and the sales are pretty good in many markets. I am pretty sure unlike countless other importers they are here to stay.

    PGO is an interesting manufacture. Wikipedia says it best!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGO_Scooters
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  11. B02S4

    B02S4 Aye

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    Bajaj?
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  12. maddiedog

    maddiedog In dog we trust

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    I put more than 10k miles on 3 different Buddy 125s. One had more than 35k miles when I sold it. Not a single issue. They're great bikes, I buy em if I'm ever between bikes.

    The 125 tops at 65speedo, about 60gps, but runs lean at that speed. Cruising at 55 is comfy though. They're great econoscoots, way better than the Chinese pieces of crap, and almost as nice as Hondas.

    I advise against the Stellas, they're maintenance nightmares. Edit: talking about the 2t Stella.
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  13. seraph

    seraph asshole on a scooter

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    Bajaj is a different company, but a similar story. They also built Vespas on contract with Piaggio, and then under their own name, and then came out with their own (Vespa-derivative) models. My friend has a '66 Bajaj Priya that is a nearly spot-on take on a Vespa VBB. The later Chetaks and Legends are Bajaj-designed 4-stroke bikes, but clearly derived from the P-series Vespas. Bajaj was sold in the US under their own name.

    The same story with LML, who were partners with Piaggio in building the Vespa PX150 for India - India used to require (maybe still does?) foreign companies to partner with local manufacturers. When Vespa/Piaggio stopped selling the P/PX Vespas for India, LML bought the Piaggio-built factory and continued on. LML Stars are sold in the US by Genuine, as Stellas.

    The 2-stroke Stellas (2003-2009) are essentially PX150s - the machines that make them say Piaggio on 'em - with a couple minor tweaks and worse build quality. The 4-stroke Stellas are an in-house engine design that still derives (or copies) a lot from the PX - but required moving away from the monocoque frame Vespa made it's name on, and though it looks like a 2-stroke Stella or P/PX Vespa, it's actually a tube frame from the front of the seat back. The newest Stella, the 125cc CVT automatic, is also tube framed, and powered by a repackaged GY6 motor - normal GY6s are too long for the Stella's shape, see, so they had to angle and contort it to fit in the wheelbase allowed.

    I bought my 2-stroke Stella new in 2008. It was main scooter, and then my daily rider for several years. Mine has been better than most, but they are not very reliable. I could write a whole post on my Stella's storyline. The 2-stroke models have cranks and bearings that are prone to failure - which hasn't happened to me yet - but ALL Stellas suffer poor build quality. The 4-strokes are better, but still suffer from very shoddy wiring and worse. Hell, I know two people that took delivery of Stella automatics the day they were available, and within a couple weeks one had failed tail and brake lights (due to shoddy wiring) and the other was having starting issues... due to shoddy wiring.

    I know a great many Stella owners, mostly 2-stroke, but a few with the 4-stroke manual and the two I mentioned with new automatic models. All of us have had problems, though to varying degrees.

    My opinion: my 2-stroke Stella is a blast to ride. I love it - the sound, the smell, shifting, the lightning-fast handling. But it is not reliable enough to be a daily rider (I've got a Yamaha for that now). While the newer ones are better, if you depend on your scooter to get to work every day, rain or shine, and expect working lights and turn signals the whole time, don't buy a Stella. If you're buying a scooter as a hobby, or something to tinker with (there's a huge aftermarket for the 2-strokes, since so many Vespa parts are compatible), the Stella is just fine.

    So, personally, I don't the appeal of the 4-strokes and especially not the automatics - they lose the character of the 2-stroke but don't add enough quality to make it worth it. Objectively, they are worse scooters than any Japanese or Taiwanese bike.

    (An aside: PGO, maker of Genuine's other scooters and one of the world's bigger scooter producers, also started out making Vespas)
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  14. FizzyRascal

    FizzyRascal Been here awhile

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    LML 'Star' in Europe. :norton
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  15. gaijinrider

    gaijinrider Positively positive

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    If you're able to confirm that the "Genuine" Stella is a re badged LML scooter, then the quality should be fine. As Seraph has already mentioned, LML used to build the Vespa PX for Piaggio in India. I can't vouch for its resale value though.
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  16. guzziknight

    guzziknight Been here awhile

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    We have a Genuine Buddy Blackjack. My wife loves. She keeps saying she wants a bigger scooter, then says she doesn't want to sell the Buddy. Great little scooter and lot's of fun to ride. Great value as well. Plenty of used Buddys around to buy.
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  17. 2tonegator

    2tonegator n00b

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    Someday I would like to get a Stella. Been a fan for years.

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  18. JerryH

    JerryH Banned

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    Was it a 2 stroke or 4 stroke? I don't know much about the 4 stroke, but I have owned a 2009 2 stroke for the past 4 1/2 years and love it. You will hear how poorly made they are, and to get a real Vespa. I have no doubt they are not Vespa quality (and I mean vintage Vespa quality) but they are not nearly as bad as many seem to think. They are IDENTICAL to real Vespas in almost every way, and virtually any vintage Vespa part will fit them, including real Vespa engines and engine parts. Many vintage Vespas around here actually have Indian made LML engines in them.

    Since you have had a Honda scooter, the Stella is exactly the opposite. They are the same as a vintage scooter. Very rough and unrefined. They squeak and rattle, and have manual clutch and clunky 4 speed transmission.

    If you are talking about the new CVT Stella, those are a completely different machine. The frame/body is probably the same, but I can't imagine a 4 stroke CVT Stella being nearly as much fun to ride as a 2 stroke manual.

    I like the Stella so much that I bought a second Indian made bike, a 2013 Royal Enfield Bullet 500.

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  19. SAM7

    SAM7 Been here awhile

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    Stellas look great but I've heard nothing but horrible things about them. They're like Urals of the scooter world... Stella have its charms like a 2 Stroke motor, twist gear shifter, kick starter and a spare wheel! But its poor build quality and high price tag (close to $3,600 if my memory serves me right) doesn't justify the purchase... Unfortunately, its the ONLY scooter available with a manual shifter (much like Ural is the only side car manufacturer)... For a little more cash, one could get a Suzuki TU250X. Bigger motor, fuel injected and lets not forget... Its JAPANESE. Or alternatively, look into SYM Symba (its a Honda Cub clone, but a pretty solid one) and SYM Wolf Classic... Peace.
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  20. Dibber

    Dibber Adventurer

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    Stella's are made by LML in India. All other scooters are made by PGO in Taiwan who also made Vespa parts in the past. These are all high quality scooters. My Buddy 125 is coming on 14,000 mile with no troubles. You can't go wrong buying a rebadged PGO if you ask me.
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