Georgia 2012

Discussion in 'EMEA' started by Revenue, Jan 7, 2012.

  1. rtwdoug

    rtwdoug prominent underachiever

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    good news on ABK, I will look into that option. the thing is, you can get from ABK to RU, but I guess if you do that, & not return to GEO you may end up on their shit list. Not a biggie, if you dont plan to return, but I go to GEO pretty often

    I also use a visa agency for russia. yes, its not the cheapest, but I like it, because they do all the work. I just send them my passport & some money, & get the visa back.

    I dont think there is a transit option for RU
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  2. Wildman

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  3. naga-italy

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    Border Crossing Point GEO -RUS at Verkhniy Lars is open for non-CSI citizens too; I crossed it this morning with a valid russian visa. No more then 30' to wait.


    Beside 20 km. from Gadauri (GEO) to north, the road is good.

    Referring to Abkazia, I can confirm that once you enter from Georgia you won't be allow to go back.
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  4. rtwdoug

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    Hey Naga
    did you try to go to abkhazia from georgia? did they tell you this at the border?
    Thanks, Doug
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  5. rok1679

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    Experiences from other travelers and Abkhazian Consul are not confirming this.

    If I look logicaly:
    Abkhazians will let you trough if you have their visa/entry permit, as for a Georgia you've formaly never even left their country since they consider Abkhazia part of Georgia. Problem would be if you enter from Russia to Abkhazia. This would be to Georgia officials as you illegaly entered Georgia. And if you go from Georgia to Abkhazia and leave trough Russia you would illegaly exit the Georgia.
    So best logical and I think the best chance is to enter/leave Abkh. from Georgia. If they let you in, I think they should let you out.

    My opinion.
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  6. BenMen

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    Hi, we're back from a trip around the Black Sea (11.300 km, 21 countries), and, as others, we had no problem for the border crossing between Georgia and Russia.
    We didn't try it through Abkazia, what I've read about it is not so good.
    Here's the link if you want to see the pictures: http://www.2roues2yeux.com/mernoire/Photos_1.html
    Click on "Lancer le diaporama"

    Military Road between Georgia and Russia:

    [​IMG]
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  7. Revenue

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    Looks awesome , cant wait till August
    How many days did you spend in Georgia Ben??

    Eric
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  8. rok1679

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    Which border pass did you take to enter Georgia from Turkey ?
    What have you read about Abkhazia?

    Greetings!
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  9. BenMen

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    @rok1679: we crossed the border at Vale (not the one on the coast). It was ok, and quite fast.
    About Abkhazia, the belgian consul in Tbilissi wrote me that you can't enter Abkhazia (or South Ossetia also) from Georgia. On the other hand, it's easy to enter Abkhazia from Russia, but if you do so, and then go to Georgia, georgian autorities can put you in jail for 5 years.
    This guy, the consul, knows what he's talking about. It's the only "official" who told me that the Kazbegi/Vladikavkaz border was open (it was a few months ago).
    I think that if you really want to ride Abkhazia and Georgia, you have to do Georgia first, then Russia, then Abkhazia, then Russia again.
    Hope this will help
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  10. BenMen

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    Hi Eric
    we spent almost 5 days in Georgia (1 day in Svaneti, Mestia, Ushguli, 2 days in Tbilissi, 1 day on the road, military road). It's definitly not enough, we wanted to visit the eastern part, near the Azerbaijan border, and also the Black Sea coast, but we didn't had time, we had to move on to stay in our timing. Still a lot of things to see. It's a good reason to go there one more time :D

    Tbilissi is very cool and nice (we met nice people there, it helps). And Ushguli also, but you'll have to ride 44 km of dirt tracks to get there. But it's worth it.
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  11. rtwdoug

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    I've decided to go counterclockwise around the black sea, as then I can go to abkhazia after georgia, with no worries.

    Doug
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  12. naga-italy

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    Sorry for being late.

    No I didn't go to abkazia neither from Russia nor from Georgia.

    During my stay in Kazbegi I met a young lady working for a big travel agency in Tbilisi - she confirmed me that once you enter in Abkazia from Georgia you won't be allowed to be back to Georgia.

    Now I see you have modify your plan – I do believe it’s a safe compromise.


    Have a nice trip!

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  13. Sleepless Heretic

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    hi all
    If you're still planning a trip to Georgia feel free to ask the questions you have. I'll put this thread on my watch list and try to answer them.
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  14. rtwdoug

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    Cool, Thanks!
    Ive been there a few times over the last couple years, its a wonderful country!
    I've stayed in Tlibisi several nights, at hotels & at a hostel. Biggest concern for me is safe bike parking, the hostel seemed ok, the hotel didnt have real secure parking, but I had no problems.
    I'll be there again in a few weeks, what hotel would you suggest? I like inexpensive, safe parking & wifi :)

    Are they doing the Batumi bike fest again this year? If so, what are the dates? I cant find any info on it

    Thanks, Doug

    Maybe we can meet up for a drink?




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  15. Sleepless Heretic

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    rtwdoug, Bike safety here is more of a concern about somebody messing with the bike (mainly when making pics) rather then matter of theft. I don't happen to use any hotels here, so I cant advice you any right now. Maybe I'll have some info later these days.

    The Extreme Sports Federation is planning to make an event in 19-22.07.2012. There is no detailed info atm, but I suppose they'll make it in Batumi again.
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  16. shock-man

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    Greetings from Croatian!
    This year the beginning of the 9th month I go to the Caucasus with my yamaha fazer fz1
    I plan the shortest route to Odessa, still slightly in Crimea to Russia by ferry, then to Sochi, and then across the Caucasus to Vladikavkaz and continues to Georgian military highway to Tbilisi. If it is time I made ​ circle by Armenia, and if not then through Georgia (maybe a little Svanetia if you do not be a bad road before, because I ride Fazer 1000) to the border with Turkey, Cappadocia, and go home.
    Do not go there before late in September because of the possibility of bad weather?
    I am available 17 days.
    What is the road from Sochi to Vladikavkaz?

    Sorry for bad english, Google translate :deal
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  17. Sleepless Heretic

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    shock-man, considering your bike I wouldn't advise you to go to Svaneti. The road to Mestia is quite good and beautiful, but Mestia itself is being rebuilt now and is not the best thing to see. Ushguli (the highest village in Europe) - to the contrary is a very beautiful place, but it's somewhat like 45 kms from Mestia and the road is bad. I've been there this weekend on my Transalp and I LOVED it, having ridden most of the road standing on the footpegs.
    Instead you may consider visiting Uplistsikhe, Vardzia, Dmanisi, maybe some monasteries: Shio Mgvime or David Gareja or some of the other sightseeing place where the road is good.
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  18. K0m4

    K0m4 Been here awhile

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    On my way from Tbilisi to Yerevan two weeks ago (not MC - was there on business), we passed two BMWs and one V-Strom in a village somewhere in Ijevan. Was that anyone from here on their way to Georgia? The roads were full of ruts from the rains, so I've gotta say we were admiring them!
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  19. rtwdoug

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    I just did this a few days ago. the road from vladikavkas to sochi is not short. there is no direct route (other than a rough trail over the mountains) traffic along the black sea to sochi was very bad. only one 2 lane road to sochi.
    from vladikavkas I went to Aravil, then south to Maykop & Tuapse, then south to sochi, its the closest way. the road maykop to tuapse is bad in spots, and 10km of bad offroad over a mountain pass. Much traffic & dusty.
    from vladi to kazbegi the road is good, & the border was easy & friendly. not many bikes come thru here. 30km south of the border is 20km of bad road. After that, its good to Tlibisi.

    from tlibisi to batumi you will see 2 roads, the north road is paved, the south road has 100km of dirt. with fazer, I'd go the north road.

    2 things to watch in georgia. The cows, which love to wander the roads, I guess fencing has not come to this area yet.
    and the bad drivers. I think most georgians got a drivers license as a present. They are a bit crazy.

    You will see alot of police, but they never do anything, just drive around in their cars. they dont worry about how people drive. I dont even know WHAT they are actually supposed to be doing, unless it is to just sit on their ass, as they seem good at that.

    If you pass thru Bulgaria on your way, stop in at the motocamp & say hi. Plus, I can point out routes on the maps

    Doug



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  20. dodgesnake

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    Hi

    I'm planing a trip to Georgia and maybe north face of Caucasus.

    Could you please share your route and advice about must see place in Georgia.
    How did you find your path? GPS or Map or both?
    What about road signs, are they written in latin letters?

    Could you please share some road pictures to imagine dirt level of roads?

    Thanks and regards
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