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Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by RumRunner, Feb 13, 2007.
I keep the blade in the wax paper and tuck it behind the head.
Just a comparison size-wise. But then, I take XLs. Maybe 3 of yours.
I tried that and the paper just disintegrated. I figured if I just left it in the head, it would be ok. The outside was but the side that faced the handle resulted in a "Weasels Ripped my Flesh" quality shave.
At $.12/ea. I can afford to toss them.
My main is a 23C - initially I thought I wanted the longer handle, but then it hit me that at any weird angle the smaller handle wouldn't limit shave angles nearly as much, so I went with the 23C. I'm happy with it.
How does Cella shave soap compare to either Prorasso or Truefitt & Hill (T&H being the best I've ever tried for a luxurious and smooth shave)?
With the DE's how often are you guys changing your blades? I switched from the Russian-made Gillettes to the Wilkinson's, and I'm finding I need to change the blades more often now...
There is the issue. Some blades just flat out last longer. Feathers I can do 4 - 5 comfy shaves, but they're pricey.
I usually use the Rapira's on my DE's and I get 3-4 comfy shaves, which is acceptable for 12 cents in my book.
You're gonna shit when I tell you this, but I have gone for over 30 shaves, once, with one blade, and am easily past shave number ten with the current one I have in there.
Depending on if the blade was maufactured correctly or not, I get anywhere from less than one shave (so some part of the blade is scraping my skin) to over 20. Lately I'd say it's been 14 to 20 shaves.
So you're scoffing and thinking I have a weak beard - hardly, dear sirs. Damned thick and dark beard.
The key to switching from mass-market razors isn't the double-edge razor, it's in the "wet shaving" ... in other words, the prep is key. But, yeah, I doubt I could get this many shaves from a blade like a Feather just due to how sharp they are in the beginning (so the angle they are ground or cut to) and how that very thin cutting edge wears away to leave a poorer blade for extended use.
A thing to get past is the super-sharpness of a new blade. If that's the luxury that you demand, then so be it. I contend, however, that while a large amount of 'pull' is bad, the very minor 'pull' feeling that a blade on its 4th and 5th shaves gets isn't anything to go spazzing about. A good blade doesn't really develop more 'pull' than that initial minor increase over the course of 20 shaves.
( I'll also contend that as the blade matures, it becomes far more forgiving ... so much so that I dislike switching to a new blade now. I usually do two passes, maybe three, and don't find that by the third pass my face is any more stubbly or looks any less baby-faced than a third pass with a new blade. For the initial pass, sure, maybe not as clean, but upon follow-ups it all ends up the same. )
I once wrote a huge reply on this in another forum, but those pages disappeared with time. All I'm gonna say is that I aim for over 14 shaves with each Derby blade (save for the ones that scrape immediately and get thrown out - rare, but they are allowed some manufacturing discrepencies, IMHO, since the blades are cheap and since it's Turkey), and usually get that, and more, now. Granted, for a while there I was in a job that I didn't have to shave every day, and in the next job I only had to shave 4 days a week. I'm now back to shaving... 6 days a week, so I'll be going through blades 'faster,' but I'm not getting stupid with inordinate amounts of blades.
Ask yourself this - would men all over the world in second and thrid world countries be using DE blade razors if they were so wasteful? Either those poor thrid-world guys have access to much, much better blades than you guys going through blades every two or three shaves, or... you're doing something wrong (like, as in prep or in your whole understanding/approach to shaving with a DE) .
I so go 10-20to shaves per blade.
I need a better way to track which blade side I am using.
Use the side that feels better, lol
Not that difficult.
I've used Cella, Proraso (both from tube and jar), T&H, Colonel Conk, Tabac (tube and jar) and a number of the other premium shave soaps. Cella is just the best thing I've ever used, and now pretty much the only thing I use. It can take a bit longer than Proraso or some of the others to lather up, but the results are much better for me. It smells amazing, like an almond marzipan dessert, and is incredibly rich. I think of those I listed the Cella is the only tallow-based soap. If you like that cool menthol feeling and your skin can handle it, Proraso is pretty good stuff, but I keep coming back to the Cella as the best, as do all of my friends who try it. If you buy Cella in th big brick size it's also probably the cheapest soap you'll ever find. It has a very strange consistency, like putty, and you'd think that with such a soft soap you'd go through it quickly, but that's not the case at all. I can get twice the shaves out of a jar of Cella than I could a jar of Proraso or Tabac.
My usual rig is a Futur w/ Feather blades, and the Cella. I've tried hundreds of combinations of razors, blades, and soaps, and this one knocks it out of the park every time. I've had chronic problems with ingrown hair and acne my entire adult life, and shaving every other day with this setup is the only thing that has worked to clear it up.
Feather blades go downhill fast for me after the 2nd shave, so I only use them twice. I have a beard like barbed wire though, and I only try to shave 2-3 times a week, so getting 4-5 shaves out of a blade won't save me $20 a year. I also tend to get more nicks and cuts when I stretch beyond two shaves on a blade.
Thanks for that write up!
I'm in a position where I'm shaving nearly every day now (some weeks I have one day off, some weeks two, but many time over a week goes by without me having time off) and I have been improving on what I have. Prorasso pre-shave is now a requirement, and a little Shave Secret on top of that, before lathering, helps.
I have been a member for 6 months now and use the "middle of the road" blades.
It's 6 bucks a month and the shave I get is as good or better than anything I have bought at the store at any price.
I have never tried the straight razors that all here are talking about, but I see myself going down this path.
2 questions about DE stuff, if you please.
1) Is there much difference in a $20 Chinese handle vs. a $60 European or is it more of a pride-of-ownership thing?
2) When you're done shaving, do you have to open up the action on the handle to let things dry or will everything be OK if it just sits out on the counter?
My take is that some Merkurs (like the ones most of us start with such as the 23c) are so simple, I just don't see how a Chinese handle could be worse (if it is actually used in China and other countries to shave with, as opposed to just being junk to dump on the American market).
I just about bought one in a shady dollar-type-store run by Pakistanis down here in south Florida, but never got around to it.
I leave my blade in the handle, and it does fine for up to, or over, 20 shaves. You will get build-up of shave-soap remnants on the handle that can be cleaned off between blade changes, but it's no biggie.
Part of it would depend if your bathroom stays so humid that nothing dries by the next time you use it... then I'd worry about bacteria and rust, but you'd have more problems with mold and such than just worrying about your razor at that point.
The shave brushes are the pieces of the kit that it's ideal to take care of. Rinse, shake / whip dry, and ideally hang with the bristles facing down.
This was an interesting read: http://www.bruceonshaving.com/2010/08/18/chinese-razors/
I'm curious about number 1 as well - While its just a metal handle, I feel as if the machining of the metal head is pretty important, as when you tighten the handle to the head, the two pieces clamp together and the gap between them at the end essentially bends the blade, leaves a specific amount of blade exposed for shaving, and holds things in place. But as your link shows, people shave with these things.
The "adjustables" vary the clamping to change the blades angle and exposure. So I'm not sure on the chinese one.
Get a shave stand, and that should be fine for drying.
Yeah, but it's best for guys just getting into it to ignore the adjustables if they want to save money. Standard DE handles served, and still serve millions (all together, billions?) of men.
Unless something was really, really unusual about the top of the handle-head's height that would make the overall angle crazy, any user will automatically adjust the angle and pressure of the razor based on what works. While a science, it isn't a complex one here.
Keep in mind that while DE razors limit angles for perhaps an easier shave or angle-reference, people still shave with straight razors just fine... it's about the angle you get used to applying for each shaving device. So even if Chinese ones are different than a Merkur, as long as the blade is exposed and as long as it is a stable and tight platform, shaving with one won't be that much different.
I'm sure there are really bad Chinese designs... maybe ones that don't easily allow cut beard hairs to flow out? But I'd also bet those are more rare.
I just read a review of one, however, that may be a scam... Apparently someone bought a cheapie new razor handle from ebay and found the entire handle was chrome-covered plastic that didn't last one shave. Yeah, that would be bad.
One could do worse than finding a Gillette Super-Speed adjustable razor in decent condition. A little work with an old toothbrush would have it cleaned up and ready to go, I shaved with one for years, and never had a problem.
Are you new to wet shaving? It's hard to go wrong with a used Gillette. If your interested I have a couple to choose from that I would be willing to ship to you for less than $20.
Thank you for the offer, but I have already ordered this
I was just having a bit of buyers remorse.
Years ago, I used to use a some sort of multi-blade something or other, but I switched to electric. Recently, the electric has died and I dug out my old blade stuff but the price of replacement blades and the idea of throwing away a chunk of plastic every time I change a blade has me going the DE route.