Glass Powder, Fog Lines and an epic high side

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by Irish John, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. Irish John

    Irish John Been here awhile

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    Well I guess it was bound to happen after 47 years of riding...so I'll add my self confession.

    Hello my name is Steve and I had an accident on my motorcycle. 4 November 2012, I was out for a little scoot in afternoon. Decided to head back to town via the old highway which has a couple curves in road (not a common thing here in Kansas). Turning off of the new highway onto the old, I high sided at about 30 mph. Seems KDOT had just painted the fog lines, in doing so they put down glass powder while the paint is wet to make the lines reflective. Unfortunately these fine State employee's did not clean up after themselves and left a rather large amount of the glass powder on the road surface. Last thing I remember was feeling the back end start to swap places with the front.

    According the sheriff's accident report, two different witnesses called the accident in at 1:58pm. The first deputy arrived on scene at 2:14pm. I don't remember anything from feeling the initial slide to next talking to a deputy and paramedic. On scene was a fire truck, EMS paramedics and 3 Douglas County Sheriff deputies. I really don't remember much of the conversation. I do know they said "Your bike looks ok so go ahead and ride it home."

    I remember that my ankle hurt, I felt like I had stingers to both lower arms and my left wrist was sore. Rode home, put the bike away and went in the house to clean up. Noticed in the bathroom mirror that my right pupil (apparently landed on the right side) was about the size of a quarter. My left pupil on the other hand was about the size of a pencil eraser. "Hmmm, I don't think that's right."

    Called my daughter who is a trauma nurse in Iowa and asked her what that meant, "Dad, you need to go to the hospital ASAP. Oh, by the way how did you get home?", she said. "I rode." I won't repeat what she said.

    Needless to say, I went to the ER. Several hours later, I was released. Sum total of injuries, a concussion, broken left wrist, broken left heel and big toe, sprained right wrist, and broke both elbows. Apparently I had been knocked unconscious for at least 20 minutes.

    As always, I had all my AGATT gear on, the helmet, gloves, boots, riding jacket did their job. Should be back in shape by March to ride again, despite "concerns" of my daughter and the rest of the family.

    Cheers and watch those fog lines!.
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  2. PostIt

    PostIt Been here awhile

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    Glad you are safe! :eek1 Cannot believe you rode home with those injuries. A knock on the head can really eff with you..
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  3. sparkymcgee

    sparkymcgee Been here awhile

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    I hate to be that guy, but talk to an attorney. It sounds like some people made some mistakes that either lead to your accident or exacerbated your injuries. It sounds negligent to let someone ride home in your condition. Although you may have insisted and don't remember. Either way, cover your bases and at least talk to someone. You don't want to have medical bills down the road due to someone else's actions or lack thereof.

    Glad to hear you're relatively OK and I hope to be riding as long as you have.
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  4. hardwaregrrl

    hardwaregrrl ignore list

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    Holy shite!!!:huh I hope to god you plan on ripping the EMS and Fire dept a new one....that is a big no no to allow you to walk away from a possible concusion. Bad training or lazy??? I dunno but they need to be informed. I'm glad your daughter got you to the ER!!!:clap Take care of yourself!
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  5. Irish John

    Irish John Been here awhile

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    Your advice is exactly the same as my daughter and son in law, who is a cop. SOP in any accident like that is transport the person. Can't say I was thinking to clearly. Actually I spoke to my an attorney, who told me to file a complaint to get a record of the event and follow started. However, he also advised me that as both KDOT and the EMS/Sheriff departments are state govt. agencies, 90+% chance the case would get thrown out because it is extremely difficult to sue the State.

    Still pursuing this as in trying to find out if the painting had been done by a contractor rather than KDOT, no data yet on that one. My attorney is looking at other possible steps. I will say that 5 days after the event, I had a friend drive me out to the scene and you could still see where the rear tires skidded in all the excess glass powder.
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  6. Chuffa

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    You've got to pursue this.

    No way should you have been allowed to ride home - even if you told them you could (in a state of delirium). Those cops & paramedics need some basic training, you were not only in danger yourself but possibly a danger to others on the road as well.

    I'm glad you made it through with a story to tell. That could have ended far worse.
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  7. Irish John

    Irish John Been here awhile

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    Too right Chuffa!! So sorry about the fires in Oz. Spent some time there while in the Army. Sending good thoughts your way.
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  8. doxiedog

    doxiedog Been here awhile

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    I almost droped a bike,at a fresh crosswalk.
    Foot zipped out,on those glass beads!
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  9. GlennR

    GlennR Playin' in the Fire

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    Glad you're still around to tell the story.

    Good luck trying to sue the government...They pay the judges "over the table".
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  10. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    Ah yes, the good 'ol American way, SUE SOMEBODY!
    Shit, I mean, after all, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault! Right?
    There must ALWAYS be someone to point the finger at.
    I should talk to an attorney about my broken wrist. Maybe he can sue...........
    KTM......... because they made the bike, which allowed me to buy it, which allowed me to crash it.
    Enduro Engineering..........they made the bark-busters that my wrist got tangled up in. They must be held accountable for making such an obviously dangerous product. I'm sure I'm not the first person this has happened to...............................CLASS ACTION SUIT against Enduro Engineering!!!
    State of NJ....... because they didn't put armed guards at every possible entryway into the woods, which gave me the opportunity to gain access to said woods, which then gave me the chance to crash.
    Bridgestone......... well, they made the tires so they must be held accountable.
    The entire Judicial system...............for not having incarcerated me years ago for prior bad acts against Mother Earth.

    I crashed a beautiful '74 Ducati 750 Sport that I only had for 2 weeks, many years ago, on sand that the State Road Dept. put down on a Safety Kleen spill on a (are you ready) CIRCLE on the old Rt.23 here in NJ!!!!!!!! Could I have tried to sue "the state"(which we all know is just sueing our fellow residents of our state, since the state has no money of it's own), sure I could.
    Did I? Nope. Even at the ripe old age of 18, I knew there were things that I could have done differently for a different outcome. I was just happy I didn't get run over! :D Believe it or not, 2 weeks later I got the bike back together, and going home from the shop I was rounding a blind turn on a 2 lane road and to my surprise there's a fucking DUMP TRUCK coming at me in my lane. Flip the bike from full lean right to full lean left to escape into the dirt on the other side, get into the dirt and promptly crash the poor thing AGAIN. :cry At least the guy in the truck got out to see if he could help, I said, "I'm fine, just leave me alone". If I was a good American, I would have gotten the name of the company, plate number, drivers name, and sued everybody including the town for allowing a road to have such an inherently dangerous turn.


    Chris "Sue 'em all" W. :lol3

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  11. acejones

    acejones Long timer

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    Let me guess; you drove yourself to the ER. Right ?
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  12. FixxiT

    FixxiT Lunitic Fringe

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    Dood..I DO linestriping, its not "glass powder" that gets applied over the paint, its Reflective Glass Spheres, 80% rounds.
    Spheres so each is, in effect, a "mini reflector" that reflects the light back.

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    The stuff is worse than slime on ice.
    If you ever spill it on smooth concrete you cant even walk on it..seriously! Billions of mini-marbles they are :eek1

    Ironically they're referred to as "Highway Safety Spheres" :scratch

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    My group is routinely cautioned about over application & spillage of glass spheres & liability for accidents and slip & falls. (I dont work for the State :fitz)
    The application equipment, if working properly, is designed to either drop it or blow it into paint or thermo as its applied.
    Your supposed to remove any overapplication from the roadway surface :deal

    If PD documented that line striping activity was a factor in your getoff, you should have no problem enlisting an attorney to take civil action against the state, should you so desire.
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  13. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    Which time? :lol3
    But,for the last crash where I broke my wrist, I hiked about a mile & a half out of the woods where my buddy met me with my van, I drove home and got out of my riding gear and took a quick shower ( I never smell too good after riding:lol3) and then drove myself to the local Hospital.
    So yes, yes I did. It didn't really hurt all that bad, just bad enough that I knew it was broken.

    Chris
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  14. tundra61

    tundra61 I wish I had a title

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    Broken wrist can't be mistaken - stiff throbbing feeling immediately - at least in my experience!
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  15. Josephvman

    Josephvman I'm the Decider

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    That's crazy! Six broken bones and a serious concussion, and EMS missed it all and told you to ride home?
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  16. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    EMS around here don't offer x-ray's or CT scans, so unless something was very obviously broken, how would they know???
    The concussion, they should have been able to figure that one out.
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  17. MTKNZ

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    Sorry to hear about your 'little incident',
    I am impressed you managed to not have one for 47 years of riding, excellent work there, must have some good skills.
    I would suggest maybe another lawyer if this one doesn't like to sue the state and you should probably get a copy of the incident reports from the LEO's and FD staff who responded.
    If you were told to "go ahead and ride home", that is one thing, but if you were recorded as 'insisting you could ride home' (refusing treatment) that is something else. SOP's are not always followed but reports should indicate if not and why not. In a former life I was a paramedic and clearly someone failed to examine you sufficiently to discover your injuries, in my experience there's not too many reasons that can happen and you should definitely find out which one is recorded.
    (That's not to say it happened that way but that is what got recorded!)
    Either way there is no way you should have been permitted to leave the scene with those injuries.
    Hopefully you also had the presence of mind to have someone take photo's of the accident scene showing the excess powder/spheres and skid marks while they were still visible? (you said you went back there, I figured that was why)
    I am not suggesting you try to get rich off this, but if you can get your medical expenses covered that would probably help things out. The next rider might not be in a position to complain....

    Either way, I hope you heal fast and heal well.
    Keep riding as well as you always have, I hope your next accident will be another 47 years away!

    Before anyone kicks me for suggesting this course of action...
    I used to know a guy who had an accident and got sent on his way with a concussion.
    He went home and felt like cr*p, took some aspirin and had a nap on the couch. He woke up bleeding from the nose and could not make it stop. He went to hospital later that night and died on the table from a ruptured blood vessel in his head.
    Concussions can be deadly if not treated, one bad enough to affect the pupils is very serious.
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  18. Josephvman

    Josephvman I'm the Decider

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    Well, let me go out on a limb here and assume that their "training" would be able to help them identify a broken bone without the bone actually sticking out of the limb! One of my dogs broke a bone and I was able to figure it out, and other than very limited communication with regard to walks, food, and dog biscuits, he can't talk!

    I'm not saying that EMS should be able to completely diagnose all injuries at the scene, but to not take the guy to the hospital for X-rays, and even worse let him ride off on his motorcycle, is inexcusable in my opinion.








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  19. manfromthestix

    manfromthestix Lost in Space

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    I had a similar experience near the Purgatory ski area between Durango and Silverton, Colorado a few years ago. We'd ridden up earlier in the day and the DOT had just finished paving a short section of road, a nice, tight curve and the straight leading to the next curve. Later in the day I had to return to Silverton and on the way up from Durango I rode through a fresh line-paint job on that stretch. Before I knew what was going on it felt like I'd had both tires go flat instantly, sliding and wobbling around. I could see the shimmer of the glass beads across the pavement and a couple piles about a foot high where the application machine had apparently malfunctioned. Luckily this was in the straight section and not the curve so I didn't go down, but that was by far the slickest crap I have ever ridden a motorcycle through! I finished my errand in Silverton, headed back to Durango and found that in the interim 45 minutes or so the passing car traffic had blown most of the glass beads off the roadway.

    I don't normally advocate looking for someone to blame and sue whenever something bad happens, but as stated above it does appear there was a lot of negligence involved in your crash. Those beads should have been cleaned up and the emergency personnel should never have let you back on the bike without a visit to the ER first. I feel differently about those glass beads than I do about the gravel laid down when the pavement is "chip sealed" or a sand/salt mixture is spread on the roads after a snow storm, by the way; those are a known, obvious hazard and no one expects the DOT to sweep all the highways after repair or sanding.

    Glad you're OK, heal well!

    Doug
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  20. FAW3

    FAW3 Old wanderer

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    Glad your on the mend...good informative post for us all.

    I've had two "lessons" in the past summer, not "go downs" but serious "pucker ups"

    1: Same thing...loose/excess glass balls/beads on a fresh paint job on pavement.
    2: Tire shine overspray...in my driveway.

    Ride safe!
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