Goggles vs. Full Face Helmet

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by BuffaloAl, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. Grreatdog

    Grreatdog Long timer

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    Yep, big difference between the kind of effort to ride street and ride dirt. That isn't ignorance speaking - it is experience.
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  2. buls4evr

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    When you are the 3rd guy in line on a dusty NM trail or BLM rd, you will quickly know the answer here. Add in HEAT.... The MX helmet and goggles (with Quickstraps) are the only way to go. If you ride by yourself all the time you could use a DS helmet. Best bet. Just buy 3 helmets and know what you are about to ride on. Most of us have multiple helmets and equipment depending on the ride or bike type.
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  3. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Personally, I do fine with either an MX or dual sport helmet, since I tend to ride with my head tilted down a bit. The visor is no problem at all. I actually prefer them over street helmets except in cold weather street riding. No problem looking behind either since I tend to roll my head down as I look back. The visor just never catches the wind. Street helmets don't provide the shading when the sun is low on the horizon.

    Supermoto riders frequently and almost exclusively use MX helmets in spite of running speeds up near 100 mph on longer straights. It's just in what you want.

    I do agree, no other full face flows air like an MX helmet and no other full face is as noisy as an MX helmet. You make a choice. Summers, I use the MX helmet even on the street bike.

    I will say the MX helmet does suck in rain, as was said, the rain drops are like BBs hitting your face.
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  4. crofrog

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    After seeing that day I'm glad my buddy went off the cliff the day before and we decided to not ride. I'd have been freezing my ass off...
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  5. rgoers

    rgoers Been here awhile

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    Tried my street helmet ONCE, off-road, before buying an MX helmet. Street helmets tend to encourage tons of dust and dirt to billow in through the chin opening, and swirl around in your face and eyes. No problems like that with an MX helmet! I also have a much better field of view in my MX helmet.

    The problem with an MX helmet on the road is the visor catches A LOT of wind, and will kill your neck muscles within a few miles.

    So, given the differences, I think you really need 2 helmets.
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  6. miguelitro

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    I have never worn anything but mx style helmets and am now wearing a flip up chin bar full face helmet and it is freaken hot and gets too much dust under the shield. For any kind of off roading a mx helmet is worlds better. For long stretches of pavement i sure do like dropping the shield and being a it insulated from the wind and noise.
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  7. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    I'd say a road racer works every bit as hard as any other racer. It's a physical sport. Riding a track day isn't road racing. It's not even going fast. You're just riding around about 20-30 seconds off the pace even in the 'fast' group. Of course you're not working hard. :rolleyes

    The rock garden in-the-heat point was valid. I ride those hateful things occasionally, and I flip my screen up just to have air on my face. I'd rather have a MX helmet with goggles for that but I don't have one that is suitable. My only MX helmet and goggles has been retired since 1981:

    [​IMG]

    :lol3
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  8. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    And todays flat trackers wear road race helmets...

    Is Supermoto still around?
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  9. crofrog

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    I don't have any data to back it up but logic says road racing gives you allot more breaks than MX or enduro. You just don't work as hard tucked in on the straights at full throttle. Sure braking and turning specially quick transitions to left and right are very physical but you get breaks on the straights...

    MX starts hard and stays hard with almost no breaks any where on the course. Same with harescramble and enduro, although in those events you pace yourself a bit more.

    "For moto 1 of motocross the HRavg and HRmax was 177 and 185 respectively. For moto 2 the HRavg was 177 and the HRmax was 183. In moto 1 the racers averaged 94% of their HRmax and 96% in moto 2. There was no significant difference between the first and second motos. When all of the motocross motos were compared to the supercross main events there was no statistically significant difference."

    http://www.racerxvt.com/virtual_trainer/Dr_A_heart_rate.html


    As to the helmets though. There's allot more airflow through a road race helmet at 160 than there is at 30 and there aren't to many times you're doing less than 50 on a typical race track. Otho in the dirt it's not that often you're doing faster than 50...

    I wasn't even alive when you stopped using that helmet...
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  10. crofrog

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    Oversea's very much so, domestically sorta...

    They both wear MX style helmets.
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  11. Gitana

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    I wear an Arai XD-3 (XD-4 is the newer version) with Quickstraps, goggles and the face shield up when riding dirt. And the face shield is really nice to have when it's raining, or when you're riding on the street. The helmet is quiet, and I increasingly wear it instead of my street HJC when I'm riding pavement. If you want a helmet with superb ventilation, buy the Klim F4. No face shield, though.
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  12. markk53

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    Supermot is still quite alive and well where more people actually appreciate motorcycle racing - Europe

    Sure flat trackers do, more aerodynamic as well, but check out the Peoria TT where speeds will still reach over 100 on the straight (at least according to what Henry Wiles told us when we ran into him at the Outback Steakhouse after the spring Springfield Mile... great kid):

    [​IMG]

    Just sayin...

    Relating to another post about some riders complaints of neck strain, it is all in how one carries their head when riding. Stick it up in the air high enough and even a full face road helmet will catch the wind.

    I don't, therefore I have no issue. Many don't, thus the reason why a lot of us dual sport/supermoto style motorcycle riders like either the MX or dual sport helmets. They're cooler running in hot weather, the visor is great on bright sunny days, but the MX type with goggles suck when you're caught in the rain. Dual sport helmets work for us in virtually all conditions.

    Personally I'm going to get some really close fitting wrap around prescription glasses to fit inside my dual sport helmet so I can easily run faceshield up more often. I'm also going to keep my eye out for a killer deal on an Arai if they fit me well. I'm sold on the dual sport helmet for my kind of riding, though I will still have a street helmet for more extreme cold and also an MX helmet for the hot sunny days.
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  13. Pantah

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    Mark - Great pic! I guess they use all kinds of different helmets for different speeds of racing.

    I never had a problem with my kneck wearing my Arai XD or Shoie Hornet (4 years on each). The Hornet doesn't work well with my KTM690, though, so I bought a street helmet. I think the sharp chinbar grabs the slipstream more than the peak, though. he Arai chinbar isn't hearly so sharp.

    For me the best part of the XD and Hornet style is the very wide face opening. It feels a bit like an open face helmet. I bought the Nolan N43E for my KTM because it also has a wide face opening, but is a more aero shape for dealing with the buffeting I get on that bike.
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  14. kabluie

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    I was just down at brucerossmeyer.com Harley Davidson's dealership near Daytona Beach Fla and saw some new goggles that are on the market. They can be worn over glasses, and darken or lighten according to the local conditions. I tried a pair on and they were confortable, but I would wear them under the helmet instead of outside the helmet if I were to go that route. I just looked on their website and didn't see them so they are new enough that their webmaster hasn't gotten to them yet. If you're interested, you can contact them and I'm sure they would help you out. The prices were in the high twenties to the mid thirties.

    Yeah, I know it a Harley place, but if they sell something you can use, perhaps you can suffer the harley stuff to get what you need or works for you.

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  15. Grreatdog

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    I just wear Scott OTG goggles whenever I am in glasses instead of contacts. The only issue with those is the foam is pretty coarse so you have to oil it for really heavy dust. They don't let enough dust through to bother your eyes. But they will eventually coat the inside of the lens unless you oil the foam.

    But all that open foam is also why they don't fog your glasses. Look back at that pictue I posted last page. If they don't fog in those conditions they never will. Dirt cheap and effective.
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  16. buls4evr

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    100 MPH at Peoria?...... That one won't pass the Truth Squad test. Sorry Hank...
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  17. der_saeufer

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    XD-3 here as well. It's only a little bit louder in clean air than my RF-1000 was, but in rough air it was REALLY loud; once I fixed the windshield, life was good. Some air gets in even with all the vents closed; you can't seal it off quite as well as a pure street helmet.

    Goggles fit under the shield, and the rubber seal is even designed so you can close the shield over straps. Shields are a bitch to change, so I just use tinted goggles. A pinlock takes care of the fogging on rainy days (no goggles tho).

    Having the peak is great--I never realized how helpful it was until I went back out in the RF-1000 early in the morning and was constantly cursing the sun in my face. Once I got my windshield adjusted correctly, I've never had any issues with the wind catching the peak when I turn my head or look up. Even on my KLR with the stock (tiny) shield, I can ride all day without any more fatigue than I had with a street helmet.

    If I lived somewhere where it actually got cold, I'd probably have a street helmet with a chin curtain for cold weather, but the XD-3 is fine for California.
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