Golf GTI or Volvo C30 or SportWagen TDI or...

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Ko, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. NSpooner

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    A few weeks ago I went out to dinner with my wife and I dropped her off at the door before parking since it was cold out. I told the valets I was parking myself and one goes "damn! I wanted to drive it!" I said that's exactly why I was parking it myself and they had a good laugh. I was driving our Mini Cooper S. Not the fastest thing in the world but it's a blast to drive.
  2. JNRobert

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    A nice R-Line C30 (2011) came up at my local dealer. I took it for a spin and was very impressed. I loved the car. As it happens, they have a practically new Polestar available too.

    If it wasn't for the completely classless hard nosed attitude (I think this particular dealership is a throwback to the '80's) I would have one or the other in my drive now. How do these dealerships stay in business :dunno

    The car itself was fantastic. It's a shame Volvo isn't selling them anymore.
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    Well then feel no shame in taking them for every penny off you can get. Do the research and find every thing you could nickle and dime them on to lower the price and do it :deal also bring a few k down so they know you're serious to take delivery right away.
  4. Sp4rks

    Sp4rks Been here awhile

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    Mazda 3i touring? That's what I got after my wreck(Fuck people who text and drive while going 50 in a 30). Or a speed 3 if you want something a bit faster.
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  5. R-1150-RS

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    Seeing how most extended warranties are NOT through the manufacturer (what do they know) but rather through a third party, many find they are not worth the paper they are written on. Do some research first, as many of these companies have a reputation of voiding coverage if they can find any excuse to do so. (Oh, you did some of your own maintenance? Do you have a license to do that oil change there is no record the dealer performed, and you 'claim' you did...??)

    Also, the industry seems ripe with scam artists who collect all those warranty fees then fold after a few years.

    What I find hard to justify is the dealers make large margins and commissions selling these third-party warranties. What little premium that is left that is going to the insurer (That's what it is after all) which also has to cover their overhead and marketing costs before dollar one goes to paying out any warranty claims.

    I've heard you have to sometimes fight pretty hard to get some of them to pay anything, and then its only a portion of your repair costs.

    Extended warranties are often not the security blanket they are portrayed as.....

    Gary
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  6. R-1150-RS

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    My Daughter and I comparo-shopped base to mid-range new 2013 - Jetta 2.0; Honda Civics; Focus SE; Mazda 3; and Chevy Cruise.

    She liked the Focus best and wound up buying it. No issues after 6,000-km. Averages 6.1-lt / 100 km of regular gas mixed city / highway.

    The Focus is well liked by most automotive reviewers, and we have a good history of few issues with any of the Fords our extended family have bought over the last 30 years or so.

    A good alternative if you want a good-looking, peppy, reliable, fuel efficient well-made small car, that comes with a decent amount of content and an interior that isn't as cheap looking as many of the alternatives.

    Gary
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    I agree with you, in that any of the other brands you mentioned have no shortage of history of quality related repair issues. No manufacturer is immune.

    HOWEVER, don't kid yourself that the Motor Trend Car of the Year Award means anything in this discussion of the reliability a customer can expect from their purchase. Among the 'Extensive list' of criteria they mentioned, absolutely none of the factors actually tested, or in any way considered, was vehicle reliability, either short-term or long-term.

    Now I agree, VW seems to have worked hard in recent years to bring their vehicle quality up to comparable levels of the rest of the better manufacturers, the Motor Trend 'Car of the Year' evaluation is not something that can be used to support that claim.

    A more reliable one is the JD Power initial quality survey. The problem with that survey is the number of 'initial defects' does not really have any bearing on Vehicle Quality. Just because one vehicle is prone to more owner complaints of perceived quality issues, (such the voice recognition software not always "working" when the real problem is the users' lack of proper diction or even correct use of English), it often has no real bearing on actual quality expectations, such as whether the radiator will rust our prematurely, or if the engine and transmission will be problem free for 500,000-miles.

    Even when you look at the JD Power longer term reliability results - (12-months), the difference between the best vs the worst manufacturers is in the neighborhood of 100 problems per 100 vehicles. (ie - 1 reported 'problem' per vehicle...) See here: - http://www.jdpower.com/content/press-release/bTiXte5/2013-u-s-vehicle-dependability-study.htm

    The vehicle average is 126 reported 'problems' per 100 vehicles. VW is rated at 176. Is that a huge difference that means you can expect a higher frequency of repairs and costs than some of the other vehicles after several years of ownership? Not necessarily IMHO.....

    Gary
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  8. R-1150-RS

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    I currently own a 2012 Jetta TDI. Love the diesel engine. 236 ft-lbs of torque is amazing, compared to the gutless 2.0 or smaller gas engines that typically come in compacts the Jettas are often compared to. You want character, the TDI is the way to go.

    Volvo C30 - My father owns one. He previously had the Turbo version. That was a hot-rod, but bought a naturally aspirated one when his was totalled in a rear-ender. Reliable and well-put together, but premium fuel costs with the turbo were typically over 10-lt per 100-km. (My Jetta typically gets 5 - 7 lt / 100 km. even on coldest winter drives.)

    We've had good results with the Volvos we've bought in our family. Buy one off-lease in good condition with the maintenance records, and you likely will not get better value for the money.

    HOWEVER, you should consider a Focus as a decent New Car purchase. Ford has been offering 0% Financing, so if you spread the payments out you can be in a brand new vehicle with a decent warranty at a low monthly cost.

    As mentioned previously, the Focus is one of the better choices in this category, and by buying new you can order what you want (If the dealer doesn't have on on the lot), and have the satisfaction and peace of mind that a new car offers that you do not get with any used vehicle....

    Gary
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    That post must be from awhile back I don't even remember making it :lol3

    It also matters a lot on the model/engine, I know TDi's and 2.0 FSI's have a lot more issues than my 2.5 5 cyl. But I have a 6 year warranty on the car for this very reason, that gives me 6 months of no car payments and everything covered under warranty to save up for the down payment on the next car. Though if the reports come back that this generation Passat does well at that age/mileage I might keep it another year or 2. MPG improvements will likely make upgrading a worth it by then.
  10. JNRobert

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    I think they're already offering the new 1.8T on the Passat.
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    My quest continues . . . :D

    Took the Ford Focus ST for a spin (full options including the Recaro leather interior). Nice, lot's of oomph and it's certainly better suspended than the older ST which was a skateboard in comparison.

    Busy interior though and although I couldn't really fault the car overall, it just didn't make me want to own it (unlike the C30R), but at the same time, I would be perfectly happy with it. I think my problem is I can't calibrate the 30K ownership price of most cars these days with the lack of passion I feel about them (the C30 comes closest as it seems to have an actual character). First world problem (and my own neurosis) I know.

    Which might also explain the weird success of full size trucks. I was looking at one of the loaded F150's and it wasn't much more than the Focus ST. I can imagine people look at it from a simple cubic foot of metal to price calculation and think they're getting more bang for their buck.
  12. R-1150-RS

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    Any fully loaded car is going to be both pricey, and have lots of toys to busy-up the dash. You can pay a lot less for a more basic Focus, and get a better (& much cheaper) after-market GPS instead of the Nav System offered, yet still retain Bluetooth and whatever goodies you feel you cannot live without.

    Life is full of trade-offs, and a new vehicle will cost more than used, all else being equal.....

    Yes, but the trade-off is its a truck.
    It drives like a truck; handles like a truck; eats fuel like a truck; and has the 'character' and performance that is the antithesis of what a car with some performance and uniqueness has.

    A pick-up is good if you need to haul manure around.

    For what people buy cars for, not so much.....

    I speak with some authority here. I have owned and driven gas and diesel vans as my primary vehicle since 1977. The last one I owned was a 7.3-litre Turbo-Diesel Ford E350 Club Wagon. You could say the diesel gave it 'character'. It was great driving it with visibility above the traffic, and was wonderful for putting on highway miles, and hauling large quantities of people &/or cargo. But its mass worked against its performance, and I always had to anticipate corners and braking to allow for its truck-like handling. That 7.3 L turbo displacement did give it reasonable acceleration though..... :evil

    HOWEVER, the monthly savings in fuel costs goes a long way towards covering the new car monthly payments on the Jetta TDI that uses 1/3 the fuel, will accelerate like it has a V-8 under the hood, and handles like a sports car in comparison.

    You may want to re-assess if your main priority is getting a big vehicle meant mainly for hauling, that uses a lot of crude steel on an antiquated suspension, over a more sophisticated one, where the trade-off for size is a design that will provide better performance and owner satisfaction.

    To each his own....

    Gary
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    Yup, they're rolling it out in a "sport model" not sure what that'll mean but it'll be the initial run until capacity is high enough to replace the 2.5 cars.
  14. RocketJohn

    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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  15. duncb

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    Owned 4 gti's... 89, 90, 93 and an 11... If I had to have a gti I'd have the 1990 again, the mkvi was a nightmare, in the shop as much as the touareg it replaced.

    I was constantly driving subaur's as loaners and ended up back in one of those.

    I've had a lot of Germans cars but the mkvi was the final nail in the coffin, it was a piece of junk. It's the reason I won't buy the golf R :/
  16. E-man

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    Aren't opinions like bosses and assholes?
    We all have one, they usually stink, and are always full of shit!!
    Seriously, everyone has a different experience with a car, even across same brand-models.
    We have an 05 CR-V with 134,000 on the odo, just made it to NY and back with nary an issue but it hasn't driven straight since 2006. Just something we deal with.

    I'm looking at dumping my '11 Ram Quad for a VW. I like the looks of the new Accords-Civics but the VWs just have something that Honda doesn't. Maybe it's the TDI. Who knows.
    IMNSFHO- as long as a car has a warranty or you buy used and have a good mechanic, you're gonna be fine. Well, as long as u dont break down in the middle of nowhere...
    Even my wife noticed the TDI Passat rode a bit tighter, sportier than the 2.5 I dont drive a lot, now cause I get 13mpg but if I got the TDI, I'd be motoring all over Pittsburgh:clap Haaa...
    Wow, what a waste of time I just puked all over the screen :D
  17. duncb

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    There's having a warranty and knowing your service managers kids names...

    I love vee dubs but I'm skipping a generation or two.

    My brother had his tdi for 12 years without an issue, I guess there's good ones and bad ones, I wanted the tdi myself but it was way too pricey at the time compared to a base stick shift gti.
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    I test drove a 2013 GTI with the DSG trans and am looking for real world feedback/experience (not surveys)on the GEN 6 GTI cars. The new Gen 7 is due soon.... Are they suffering from valve stem build up like the BMW direct injection motors? Is the DSG problem free? I've heard horror stories about the Gen 6 VW cars. Our region has $3500 off MSRP but you can buy a WRX for the same price. Interested in the latest TDI feedback also.
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    Can you wait for the GTD?
  20. SourKraut

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    For what it's worth my '12 GTI has been flawless other than a quick plug and play warranty replacement of the bluetooth module (it is held beneath the passenger seat with velcro). Mine is manual trans but I thought the main issue with DSG was the expensive service but it can be DIY'd.