good dual sport tire for sand

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  1. 5 speed

    5 speed Been here awhile

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    Hi there. Have the stock scorps on my 950 adv. I like them on the road. The front is not too fond of sand. I like the 2.15 rim on the road so dont want to go down the dirt bike front knobby deal. I have used a set of TKC 80s before on another KTM and I suppose could consider the front but need a tire to get about 7k miles on them.

    Ideas???
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  2. FakeName

    FakeName Wile E Coyote SuperGenius

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    Big bikes suck in sand, regardless of tires. I think the Scorps are a bit worse than most, but 908 and Mefos are not much better.
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  3. Andrejs2112

    Andrejs2112 ihatecars

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    Just put a 908 on my 950. Had a Heidenau on it before. The 908 isn't much different in the sand. Sand sucks. I expected a big improvement but there;s not much you can do with a big bike in the sand except give it gas and go.
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  4. knobbyjoe

    knobbyjoe knobbyjoe

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    I found that my 990 does very well in the sand with D908 rear and d606 front.

    No matter what back tire you are running the d606 front will make your off road riding better. May I say a lot better.

    Note: Don't get the d908 front for the 950/990 unless you like to wobble during street acceleration and get the "yips" on high speed turns.

    edit: Milage is not great on the D606 front if you add high speed highway to your off road riding. I'm getting about 4000 miles and then cupping and square edges get you to change out.
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  5. Wookie97

    Wookie97 Wow!That was close.

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    I put the Mefo Explorer on the rear and a TKC 80 upfront. Does really good in the soft sand corners and I have been able to get pretty good mileage out of it so far.
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  6. 5 speed

    5 speed Been here awhile

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    guys thanks for the replys. I agree on the big bike thing. However, one thing you can do; I added a steering stabilizer; Fastway 3. Took a couple of rides to break it in; started out too stiff. I have it dialed now and lets just say, I would never have tackled the sand without it!!! Its fantastic!!!

    I know the scorp is never going to be good, but I will say I never aired down either; had it at 30psi. Might have helped to air down but not much. I am thinking TKC 80.

    So I was thinking for the rear either the Scout or the Mefo, although one of the two has been giving trouble with chunking if I recall, cant remember which?
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  7. Sumi

    Sumi Long timer

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    IMO the TKC80 sucks on the LC8 all terrain, except tar.

    As for sand riding I had good results with a Michelin Desert (not the Desert Race) front and a D908RR rear.. But the D908RR doesn't last too long and the Desert front is scary on tar. beyond 110-120km/h.

    Now I'm using Michelin Cross Comp. S12 front and rear, and wow they're a blast on sand and loose stuff.. They're a bit scary on tar though.. Don't last too long on the LC8 also, espcially if ridden on tar:'D

    So after 3 years of LC8 riding I've come to the following:

    There isn't such thing as a dual sport tire. Either a tire is good on tar, or they are good offroad. So the dual sport tire thing is like a SUV.. They market it as a dual sport tire, but anything more serious than a dusty tarmac road they are a compromise. So the best is to use the scorps for tar/lightish offroad, and go for a real knobbie (D908RR, TKC, K60, Karoo isn't a real knobbie), like the Cross Comp, for serious offroad.
    Also the scorp isn't that bad at all for sand (actually I'm quite sure that if you have the momentum needed for sand, the tire doesn't really matter). There is a smaller difference between it and the TKC, or the D908RR, than between the TKC/D908RR/etc.. and the Cross Comp / Desert.

    And yes, a true knobbie won't last long.
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  8. StevenD

    StevenD Hmmmm, dirt!

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    Done about a thousand km om a set of enduro 3 Sahara . Perfect on the tar and so good in the sand that I did not bother mounting the deserts I had too. This included large dunes.
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  9. Dan950ser

    Dan950ser Two Wheeled Addict

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    I'm driving back from Baja as we speak. I ran the 606 front with the Motoz tractionator rear this time and it worked great in the sand. Was loaded with 40 pounds of gear and it still was fun as hell. Hope this helps.
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  10. 5 speed

    5 speed Been here awhile

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    So, couple of things: a new scorp in the back will actually do well in the sand I have found. problem is the front doesnt track well.

    While you point out rightfully so the S12s are the best off road sand tire I have tried, however too offroad for me to put on the 950 based on my usage.

    While I agree in principle to your point about compromise (dual sport tires) there are exceptions to the rule; such as in sand. You brought up Jeep tires and the fact is a talented all terrain, like the BFG works great in the sand and does pretty well on road. Not a mud tire. Well I am looking for the same thing here. Will probably go Scorp for the rear unless someone can substantiate that the Scout of the Mefo is better?


    Dan950Ser On the Tractionator, how are they on the tar in the wet and around corners.

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  11. _cy_

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    k-60 are worthless in deep sand on G/S .. got a scoop tire for next trip to little Sahara Okla.

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  12. Sumi

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    GS size K60 pattern and compound is different from the 150/70-18 used on the Katie. The KTM sized one is better (pattern and compound), they say. However the scorps are better on/off road. The only good thing about it is that it lasts double or triple of the scorps and is probably cheaper as well.
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  13. Dan950ser

    Dan950ser Two Wheeled Addict

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    They were fine on the road and in the wet I preferred the tractionator to any tire I've had so far on the 950. Although the mefo is a better on the road I would rather have the capability of the Motoz. Try one for the price you can't go wrong.
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  14. LocuL

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    S12 perfect for mud and sand.

    :D
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  15. Sumi

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    Sure they last long on the RC8:rofl:rofl
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  16. Gustavo.Ramos

    Gustavo.Ramos Been here awhile

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  17. Orangecicle

    Orangecicle On a "Quest"

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    Try Pirelli Rally tires. Cheap. The Pirelli Rally front seems to hold up on my 950 really well. I just ran the Rally rear on the Colorado BDR, and I had no problems with it. The tread of the rear is laid out in a way that it really bits in soft stuff very well. But we warned -- that rear is LOUD on pavement.
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  18. BMacW650

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    It's more about techniques. But you need aggressive front tires. I've used 606 and MT 21.

    For the rear, k60, TKC, don't matter much.
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  19. 1stiski

    1stiski Ride that nasty thing

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    AGREE, They are quite good off road and not super scary on the tarmac. just noisy.
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  20. Sporting Wood

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    +1 I like the Pirelli Rally

    The D908 rear likes to do the side to side shuffle in the sand, this one doesn't.
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