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Discussion in 'The Sandbox - AKA Flatistan' started by thorinoakenshield, Dec 17, 2012.
what he said!!!!
Very rapidly and very frequently........
Turns to this........
and really isnt all that much fun to ride. I would not recommend riding it alone. This little patch of sand created this.....in a matter of seconds!!
Its all fun to ride....challenging but fun!! But I wouldn't recommend doing it alone!!!! :huh The main roads through the parks and forests stay in decent shaped and are traveled enough for help to wander by if you go down, but once you get onto the trails you are on your own. This is a noob to the area making an observation from the couple of times I have ridden there, the guys the live and ride up there all the time can chime in, but if'n it was me, I would not ride it alone on a mostly street set up bike!!
If cash flow allows I would recommend the auto train. You leave Sanford(Orlando) at 1630 and are in Lorton with the bike in hand by 1030 the next morning. You then still have 6-8 hours of riding time left in the day. So basically you cover 1200 miles in 24 hrs without killing yourself. It is a huge time saver. We plan to use it on both legs of a trip from Homestead to New Foundland and back this summer.
FWIIW This section is about average for Florida;when you get into the white stuff it's much worse. That sand still has some moisture try it when it's dry.
Thanks for the replies, pics and concern.
Damn, I'm taking the 690, I'm thinking I ought to be on the 450!
I agree that sand is fun and challenging, but making a day out of it would be a bit much....actually, that would f*king suck!
Also, your Florida sand is much deeper and goes on for miles...:eek1
I'll be taking the autotrain and staying near the Daytona area. So I'll be going to Ocala, Osceola and (possibly) Apalachicola. Maybe I'll see what tracks to check out and what to avoid...
I'm going to the Daytona Supercross race, too, which is going to be rad.
Keep an eye on the sandbox; Jack Daniels might do an event at the Scrub in Ocala for bike week. If he does there will be plenty of rides in the Forrest.
So I'm trying to sort through some of the trails I can ride.
Which trails would be good for a day ride in Ocala?
None of those on that map are any good, too many cockroaches (quads) they are all OHV trails.
I assume your 690 is tagged so you can ride any # road.
Delorme's Florida Gazetteer has most of the "maintained" roads but many are too sandy to fun alone one a 690. For you first time and riding alone I would suggest staying on the orange clay roads, many of them have some deep sand if you feel the need.
USFS published maps of legal roads here
looks like there will be a campout at the Scrub in Ocala during bikeweek
More pics at The Scrub link in my sig
Very cool! I'll chime in on the Scrub campout thread.
Key West is ok to sit at the bars and such, but if you run a bike up to 60 MPH in any direction, brake hard or you'll be sucking salt water.
I bin der a time or two
I'm trying to figure out what you mean by "orange clay roads".
Do you mean something like this (in Osceola) ?
Google street map view
The sandy road is National Forest Rd, it's labeled as road 211 in the park map (Map Index 18).
The map key in the pdf marks it as "roads open to highway legal vehicles only". Really!
they look like a Georgia red clay kinda color but are a sandy mix. Usually pretty well packed but still with a slippery sand layer on top. There are places where it gets suddenly thick and is a bit tricky to handle. Usually in corners, intersections and transition to bridges. The white sand on the trails seems to have no rhyme or reason as to why it gets thick and deep. The orange stuff can be run pretty quick to run on, but still has me on high pucker cuz I don't ride it that much, but the guys that ride it all the time haul ass on those roads.
Ocala NF graded clay road, they run east/west and north/south and are all straight except one.
Two-track (not ATV trails)
Intersection. (they're not all like this but plenty are)
There's some relatively fun dirt between Daytona and Ocala NF then you can take the ferry into the forest, LMK if you want to see it.
Also, (low key announcement to any Sandbox riders) I have a two day coast to coast to coast DS route starting from Daytona/Flagler I was thinking about running during bike week (mid-week) then realized there was one already being run, albeit kinda pricey. BUT, if there's sufficient interest I could work on putting it together. Time's running short but it's still doable. The route is 235 miles over and 275 back with designated lunch stops, probably 65-70.% dirt.
ok, so there's no way to tell from the national forest map.
so far i've printed the Osceola pdf out and taped it back up as a foldable map to carry.
i'm going to just highlight the routes Dr. Z gave me...and use that and kind of wing it I guess...not a bad method, actually.
that sounds neat, thanks for the offer. it's too early to say, though.
FWIW, sand does suck but it isnt impossible. I have taken those sandy intersections on a DR650 and I have little offroad experience. The one big difference is im running knobbies, but you have a far more capable bike. I have only been down twice and I ride out there all the time (for about 3 months now), so you will probably be fine in the sand. That said, places like Eglin supposedly have tons of sand and that might not be a lot of fun for a whole day. Remember that airing down makes a huge difference in sand.
My experience is with Blackwater (past Milton, FL), and there is a lot of good riding there. That is quite a drive from Ocala and all that though, so you might want to just stay there. Good luck..
There will be plenty of rides from the Scrub.
If anyone has any route suggestions for osceola and apalachicola, please let me know. I was able to get some from another nice inmate, but I want to add more for my mid-week rides.
That's about it. I just need to research some nice restaurants and put a new rear tire on....
pirelli mt 21. not too bad.
I ran one on the 9fiddy front good sugar tire.Too small for the rear so I can't vouch for that. I'll be at the Scrub Thursday- Monday with the 400. Should be a bed in the bunkhouse for you if you don't have a tent.