Google Maps Export, iPhone, Turn-by-Turn... Finally!

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by bdolnik, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. need2boat

    need2boat boater with bike

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    So I'm following along and using some of the Mac friendly info posted by DammitDan but for the life of me I can't figure out how to use Tourstart.

    Can you type in the address of the start point and hit enter? or do I need to find it on the map and click. I'm more then happy with google at this point but figure I might as well give it a go.

    thanks

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  2. bdolnik

    bdolnik Been here awhile

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    You export the file from the ITN Converter program as Navigon MN 7 from the drop down list. This will allow you to specify .target as the extension.

    Save that file to dropbox, should look something like 'route.target', and then open the file in dropbox from your iPhone and Navigon will be presented as an option.

    Hope this helps. It pays to just work through the tutorial step by step slowly, as everything you need is presented there.
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  3. bdolnik

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    Yea Tourstart takes a little fiddling with. The trick is to make sure you click through to the "Tours" | "Create a tour" tabs. For some reason the main page lets you start adding points, but to create a tour you have to be on the Create a tour page. From there you just click the map and a little dialog box pops up asking if you want to 'Set start point' and there you go.

    The Harley one is really nice also, a little easier to use I think.
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  4. need2boat

    need2boat boater with bike

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    cool. I have a look back over that site I used. I used google yesterday and got everything to work with the make instructions and that alone was really cool.

    I'll check out the H-D ride site I've not used it but I did see they now have an app for the iphone that will play back the maps you set up.

    Has anyone given that a go?

    joe
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  5. LRClyde

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    I have been riding with GPS for years but the most deterring thing about them and smartphone apps, are that they route via fastest or shortest route from A to B unless you provide via points which dull the display of the map itself with various icons.

    I have just tried TourStart and although just a bit quirky at times, it provides most of what I need with the exception of being able to upload POI sets and tracks in gpx format. The smartphone app is one of the better I've tried and inexpensive (free) too. Voice Navigation only adds $15/year.

    I create most of my favorite motorcycling roads with Basecamp or Google Earth as tracks and then color code them based on type. I then use Mapwel to create an .img file (gmapsupp.img) and upload this to my Garmin GPS as an overlay. Now while riding I can view these great roads and follow the ones I choose. If I want to go to a particular place I just set it as a destination then add via points along these great roads to force Garmin to route me that way. This also allows me to keep those lesser known roads at a higher zoom level so I can see them without zooming way in and losing sight of where I actually am.

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    View of a built in Garmin GPS on a 2010 Goldwing

    I can also create alerts to inform me when I am near something of interest by creating a TourGuide file for the different types of POI. Campgrounds, waterfalls, scenic overlooks. This alerts do not function (yet) on the Honda Navi unit but work well with other Garmins.

    I do like the idea on Smartphone apps but they all seem to lack something, mostly uploading gpx files and/or voice navigation. Not to mention most need a cell signal which are hard to come by in the Smoky Mountains.
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  6. guavadude

    guavadude Dirt Nap Enthusiast

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    That's a cool idea, too bad Mapwel is PC only.
    I need to try and find a mac way of doing that. Losing the overview is my main complaint with a GPS device.
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  7. LRClyde

    LRClyde n00b

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    I understand Google Earth can create overlays albeit I think its a photo type image but you may want to investigate that as an option.

    Worse to worse, you could send me the KML files and I could create the img file for you.
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  8. bdolnik

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    That is kind of a common misconception with smartphones. The dedicated routing maps download the maps and do not need cell coverage to work.

    You also mentioned the notification thing when something interesting is nearby... that would be great to see implemented into these products!
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  9. leesagi

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    I actually use my iPhone for navigation, so far I did not have any issues, and I don't have to shell the extra cash for a GPS.
    (and true, no cell coverage is needed).

    Here is a description of my setup just in case any one wants to try: http://tompino.com/iphone-gps-navigation/
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  10. DammitDan

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    Dammit, man! Where were you 10 months and $59.99 ago?! :rofl

    So, a few questions about CoPilot:
    How smooth is the implementation while it runs in the background? I usually run music/podcasts, Navigon and the Cobra iRadar app simultaneously.
    Is the turn-by-turn pretty accurate? (pronunciation, countdown to upcoming turn, etc.)
    What is the maximum number of waypoints you can include in a route, and is the app good at matching the exact route you drew in RouteConverter? (These are two of my biggest gripes about the Navigon app... It only lets you use 25 waypoints in a route, and I am continually having to go back and forth between Navigon and RouteConverter to get the app to use my selected roads)
    And finally...
    Will CoPilot show you WHOLE route at one time? Navigon fails miserably at this, since it makes each waypoint a destination and refuses to show you the route to the next destination until you have reached the previous one.

    If the answers to these questions are satisfactory, then you have certainly saved me a HUGE headache for my upcoming 9000 mile trans-America tour!
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  11. RonkoRider

    RonkoRider Wrong Island, NY

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    Doing a 9K without a dedicated GPS?
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  12. Chisenhallw

    Chisenhallw Avowed Pussbag

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    You do realize that there's a guy on a Panigale in Ride Reports going from NYC to SF using a mobile for navigation, right?
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  13. DammitDan

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    Ya know, there was a time (not very long ago) when the average civilian didn't have GPS to get from point A to point B! :eek1

    I've got a US gazetteer and a compass in my saddlebags. Not everyone is completely dependent upon technology to get there! :wink:
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  14. RonkoRider

    RonkoRider Wrong Island, NY

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    That would be approx. 3K miles on USA slab. That trip is a walk in the park compared to a 9K multi country ride. That distance - get a dedicated GPS for crying out loud and use the cell phone as a back up GPS.

    It's a matter of planning for all contingencies. An iphone or a droid as a GPS is fine for most day rides and even for some multiday rides. But the idea of a cell phone out on a 9K mile ride across some of the worse roads known to manis not a great idea in my book.

    I've ridden the Cross Bronx Expressway with my cell phone in my Ram Mount 2 or 3 times - it fell out each time. Now, It goes in my pocket until I hit some smoother roads. If that road is crap in NYC, what road conditions are you expecting in Mexico or Guatemala? YMMV.

    Can it be done - sure. Can your ride to SF on a KLR- sure.

    Should it be done- not if there are better devices out there.
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    I don't think there are better devices. I think that dedicated units are now obsolete.
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  16. DammitDan

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    My bad... Perhaps I misused the term trans-America. I'll be on back roads and secondary highways from TN > CA > MT > TN. I could understand your concern if I were taking a multiple-country trip. My ride is literally going to be trans-'Merica. :lol3
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  17. bdolnik

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    I'm trying out CoPilot now, but it does not seem to work with the Dropbox method that Navigon worked with so that's kind of a bummer. The interface looks a little nicer than Navigon.
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  18. leesagi

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    Per my experience CoPilot does not work with Dropbox, you'll have to create a copilot file and uploaded it into your phone (pretty easy, see instructions here: http://tompino.com/iphone-gps-navigation/)
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  19. bdolnik

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    Not a huge fan of having to install all this crap, when all Copilot had to do was associate the .trp file in their application and it could be opened right from Dropbox. Think I'll stick with Navigon for now.

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    There was also some discussion of this on their forums and they pretty much just dismissed it. Too bad because the app does seem to have some pretty cool features for motorcycle routing.

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  20. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    Maps still work, just like stars and general direction... The compass, map, phone, or GPS will be just fine... The user just had to learn to use Velcro and zip ties instead of flimsy store bought contraptions.






    :D
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