Goose V7 VS New Bonnie

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  1. JerryH

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    I don't even see how the Sportster fits in that comparison, other then the retro looks and low technology, which I definitely see as good. But aside from that, the Sportster is a much smaller bike. I just don't fit on it. I haven't tried the Guzzi, but I have sat on the Bonnie, and it has a LOT more room than the Sportster. I really like the Sportster, just wish it was bigger.

    As for the Bolt, it is basically a Japanese copy of a Sportster, and seems to be just as small. A big part of what attracts me to the 3 bikes in the test is that none of them were Japanese. None of them are copies, they are all original, and they all have a heritage. They are not exactly the same as their half a century old ancestors, but they are remarkably close considering some of the high tech junk out there today.
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  2. NJ-Brett

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    The bolt uses an engine out of something else Yamaha makes, with some changes, and its supposed to be around 50 HP which is low for a 4 valve 950cc engine, so there is a lot more to be got out of it, and as it is, its going to have a broad power curve.

    The bolt is a copy of a sportster, the new Bonneville is a retro bike with a Triumph name, but is nothing like the old ones other then the name and 2 wheels.
    The old ones were light and nimble, very low center of gravity.
    The new ones are not, but they are smooth and trouble free.

    The Guzzi is just a modern update to a classic bike, same as they used to make, only better.
    They kept the bike REALLY light for a 750 shaft drive, as light as the old Bonneville's but with electric start and a shaft.

    I found the new Bonneville to be very boring to ride after the old Bonneville, heavy, smooth, hard seat, poor suspension, wollowed in fast turns, not so exciting exhaust sound, ok power but low for the engine size.

    If I fiit on the Guzzi, it would be MY top pick, super cool looking, very nice instuments, shaft drive, low weight, not like everyone else's bike.

    Lack of dealers is no issue for me, I never go to dealers other then to buy a bike sometimes.

    I suspect the V7 is small, but I do not know if it is too small.
    I sat on one and it seemed ok, and everything on the bike was very nice looking. Stunning.





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  3. skysailor

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    A "BOLT" appears to be, Yamaha's sad attempt to build a H-D Sportster. One more pathetic attempt to bring yet another Harley clone to the market. I don't get it.....want a Harley? Buy a fucking Harley!
    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Harley has known this for years! Guess Yamaha is paying homage to Harley? Again? Still?
    Don't think I'd buy a Sportster type cruiser, but if I ever did, it'd be a HARLEY Sportster......not a Yamaha COPY!!
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  4. epb

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    If you're not willing to open up and speak plainly, how will we know how you feel? :rofl
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  5. buck80mph

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    Can u repeat that?:evil
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  6. redge

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    As someone who's deciding between the Bonneville T100 and the V7, that's an interesting, and indeed persuasive, analysis.
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  7. Robert OK

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    Regarding the Bonneville I wouldn't be too persuaded by that "analysis". I don't get the wallowing part, I do agree with the suspension part. For that all you need is $300 or so for some rear IKons.

    If you owned an original it may be a case of where your expectations lie. I see plenty of other commentary about how much better the new one is.

    You may want to check out this video from Ride Apart. The sound is different than stock, looks like he's got arrows.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1eSDYRTk_w
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  8. KingOfFleece

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    I have, among other bikes, both a cast wheel Bonnie and a Street Triple.
    I ride the Bonnie 50 to 1 over the Street 3. Nothing about the Bonnie s "better" in any way, shape, or form. It's not as fast, can't hold a candle to it in the twisties, never gets up on the back wheel, and all that.

    But it's way more fun. YMMV.
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  9. skysailor

    skysailor Rat Rider

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    Think the Goose IS the cooler of the two. Wish I'd just kept my old Ariel!
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  10. Robert OK

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    Yeah, judging from the review a "hipster" bike. Fun to look at, but that's about it. At least Guzzi has some "lineage", unlike the Bolt that screams "wannabe".
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  11. GoonerYoda

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    The new Bonnie's are "souless". :D
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  12. skysailor

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    I'm having a very hard time NOT buying a new Sportster, putting Progressive suspension on it and taking advantage of the best dealer network anywhere. Pity they eat their young (by referring to it as a "chick" bike) and Harley guys only pay attention to the "big" twins. Like I care who notices?
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  13. NJ-Brett

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    I found it so.
    Not that I think oil leaks and parts wearing out early is what soul is about, not that I had problems with my 79 Bonnevilles, they were very good when newer.
    I say soul is how much fun a bike is to ride, performance aside, because you can not always use performance.
    Its the sound and feel of a bike, how it responds to your inputs.
    Take an old Triumph Daytona down a dirt road fast, it just feels and sounds SO cool, and is so much fun. Is it like a KTM? No way.
    This is why Harley sells so many bikes, even though some of them are very poor as a practical motorcycle.

    The new Bonneville stock, is somewhat like an electric motor in a bike, its very quiet and smooth, the bike is heavy if you are used to 400 pound Bonnevilles, it does not shake and snort/yell if you push it hard.
    You can fit a better exhaust system to get a good sound, but I hear the Guzzi sounds very good stock.

    I never rode A V7, so I know nothing but what I read, but its light, it shakes a little, it makes very good sounds, and it looks great to me.
    Like all new bikes, it likely needs suspension work and maybe a better seat to be great, but its starting from a much lighter point which will make it easy to deal with and nimble in turns.


    My Bonneville always ran great, gave me no problems at all, had more then enough power to get the job done, had good range, nice cast wheels, and was a very solid motorcycle. A practical choice.
    I was just too used to the old ones.
    And the stock seats DO suck big time...

    Now the new Bonnevilles have been out a long time, and used ones will be around and cheap. V7's, not so much, plus, they keep getting better, the new ones have metal tanks, engine changes, more power and more model choices.

    The new Bonneville gets a bigger motor (I would have gone the other way) and fuel injection that has modern carb looking throttle bodys.
    Why make a FI system LOOK like a crappy vacuum carb? They could have made it look like an old Amal carb...
    Don't mind the carbs, they are easy to tune and trouble free, and inexpensive to fix.





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  14. Super Sneaky Steve

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    You won't get that treatment at your local Yamaha dealer picking up your new Bolt. Just sayin...

    :hide

    But really I'm with you. A 48 with better suspenders and a larger tank might sell me if not for the crowd.
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  15. pm9654

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    Wow. To each their own I guess.

    Picked up a '12 T100, popped on some NH Toga's, and to me, it's got more "soul" then any bike I have ever owned. And I've had a lot of them.

    I was tempted by the V7. I like the idea of a shaft instead of a chain, but the Bonneville just fit me better. Really dig the 48 Sporty, and have had a couple Sportsters over the years. But the suspension is brutal on those. (although let's face it, most stock suspensions suck on this kind of bike) I guess after owning a couple HD's over the years, I've gotten a little bored with the whole HD experience. The Bolt seems nice, but it just didn't do it for me. I also like the new Honda, just not as much as the Bonneville I bought!
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  16. Pokeyjoe

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    Triumph has actually engineered the soul out of their bikes. Balance shafts and silky smooth acceleration have been the standard since they've had to complete with the bikes from the other side of the world. I had a 2007 Scrambler and a 2010 Street Triple R. Both fine bikes by any measurement, but no soul. My V7, on the other hand, is all soul. A little quirky, perhaps, but all the controls are in the right places and everything works as one would expect. What one does not expect is the wonderful behavior of an old school engine design. We miss it, we want it, and, with the V7, we get it. Moto Guzzi keeps making "improvements", though. The new 2013s are just a little more refined than the previous generation. Those that buy them claim they are the best ever, but how do you define "best"? At some point, you have to draw a line in the sand and say, "Enough improvements!" This is the real difficulty of producing a "retro" bike. We want old school, but we want reliability, disc brakes, and electronic ignition. And oh, by the way, the bike needs to be able to compete in the marketplace. In that regard, I believe Moto Guzzi has done a better job than Triumph.
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  17. quasigentrified

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    i cannot seem to adapt to the clutch on the v7 stone -- i swear, it seems to have the tightest and wonkiest friction zone of any of the bikes i've ridden. this can probably chalked up to n00bness, but man, the bonnie is WAY easier for me to ride.
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  18. Robert OK

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    I think this "soul" stuff is a pile. Depends what movies/tv shows you've watched, books you've read, what you ate for breakfast, the stuff in your head that you bring to the table.

    So ineffable. Might as well say you like it or don't like it. Just a bunch of "mysto" mumbo jumbo shrouding your personal taste. Either that or you just purchased a crappy bike and the only way you can live with yourself is to say the bike has "soul".
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  19. motorat

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    exactly!
    when i read about the character and soul of a bike that translates to me as problems that you have to live with.
    i was looking at the v7 but after reading about the character of the bike i got the bonneville beacuse i ride alot (18k a year) and don't want to fix the soul of the bike. i just want to put miles on it. i know several people that have over 100k miles on their bonnies with just regular maintence.

    the v7 is still a stunner to look at, and i love the guzzi sound.
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  20. Pokeyjoe

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    Please discuss the bikes and not the comments.
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