Got a Burgy 650 today

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by TheReaper!, May 29, 2013.

  1. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    $65 Pirelli winter ice/snow car tire, pump it up to 40 psi and still last over 20k mi.

    Contact patch is always bigger than moto tire, even when leaned over, just the transition between upright and leaned take some used to.
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    I need to do this on my vstrom.. I just wore out another tire after only 2k. Just gotta find a place that will mount them.
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  3. DougFromKentucky

    DougFromKentucky Just a good 'ole boy

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    I bought me a new (to me) Burgman 650 Ex a couple of months ago. The car tire on the back idea has never called to me before, but considering that I ride two-up most of the time now I am thinking about it. I think I have read every thread on using a car tire on the back over at the Burgman USA site. Still not sure as I also read the article in Rider Magazine some months ago that absolutely does not recommend them.

    Still thinking...

    Mounting is no problem for me as I have a motorcycle tire changing setup here at the house. I can even balance them. The setup has been well worth the investment for me.
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  4. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    Skeptics of using car tire on 2-wheel vehicles usually have no practical experience with the subject.

    Check out the Darkside Forum for feedback from people who actually have experience with the topic.

    Burgman 650 Darksiders
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  5. CaseyJones

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    http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/tech/0907_crup_mounting_car_tires_on_motorcycles/

    The idea that a casual ride "test" is worth more than decades of work of tire and motorcycle engineers and designers is specious. I don't need to "test" every electrical outlet in my house with wet fingers, to know that most of them will electrocute me. There might be one or two that won't...but it's safe to generalize.
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    gogogordy Long timer

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    Thats a very complete collection of some of the best of the best Reaper! Enjoy.
    You have discriminating taste in scooters.

    Detailing my vehicles and keeping them perty and well-maintained is part of the joy I get from them. Rubbing-up a newly acquired new or used scooter is part of the ceremony!

    I never roll out on a dirty bike, and usually soil a motel towel or two when Im on scootabout (I dont wipe them on the dipstick though....TP for that).

    Sorry about your brother, but yes...don't be so busy making a living you forget to make a life. Whats the point in that?

    I'm sure you'll enjoy taking your brother with you in spirit as you scoot forward on any of those beautiful machines.
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  7. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    If the only way to test electrical outlet you can a think of is to get electrocuted with wet fingers; then you're not very smart. :lol3

    People who publish articles for the masses are smart enough to avoid the 'legal' issues of making endorsement of something that's out of the ordinary like using car tire on motorcycle.

    To be innovative, to improve on the status quo; not only do you have to think out of the box, but actually take risks and do things out of the ordinary.
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    If it's such a good idea, why don't engineers recommend it? Or why don't they just design a bike that uses them, or make one with rims that take car tires?

    Big Tire conspiracy, right?
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  9. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    Don't be naive; it's not conspiracy, but profit.
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    Motorcycle engineers profit from lying to users by telling them not to use auto tires?

    ....oh. TIRE engineers profit from telling you not to use auto tires!

    Then. Why don't they just not MAKE car tires? Or make them as expensive as motorcycle tires?
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    Please don't turn this into a darkside argument. If you don't think it's safe then don't use it.
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  12. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    Tire (oil) industry profit from selling you a $90-$150 moto specific tire every 6-9k mi. instead of a $70-$90 capable car tire ever 15-25k mi.
    Anyone or anything that could reduce or contradict that profitability would be likely promoted as "unsafe" or "unintended use".

    Motorcycle engineer can test for ages and have results to back them up (but have they?).
    I would still try to find out the application myself, if I believe my usage of car tire on my Burgman 650 can save me money and be safely used for my purpose.

    My experience after riding a car tire on the rear wheel of my Bugman 650 for over 14k mi. without any incident is pretty solid evidence to me.


    I don't work for tire industry, I have no idea why they don't make car tire as expensive as moto tires. You find out and let all of us know.
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  13. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    All right...a reasonable request.

    Now, how come all the car-tires-are-cheaper types can come here and put their PRO arguments out...poorly-reasoned, IMHO...and rebuttal is call to crack down?

    If it's not to be discussed, that's okay. But shouting down ONE side of the argument, is taking sides.

    And there's the risk it might be the wrong side. And that risk is great on two wheels.
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    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    Yet if you never take the risk, how can you claim that it is unsafe for all?
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    Yes, indeed.

    How do you know what would happen if you jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge...unless you did it?

    How would you know what would happen if you tried to run your scoot on diesel fuel...unless you tried it?

    How would you know what would happen if you went down on the road without ATGATT...unless you tried it?

    How would you know you weren't a really-better rider...after you drank a fifth of Jack?

    How does anyone know ANYTHING? :rolleyes




    And...if it's unsafe for some on-road riders, it's unsafe for all. Because we all have to deal with the same traffic; the same roads; the same conditions.

    If a sharp turn is going to put me on the edge of the tire; and have that edge roll, deform the tire, and/or skid from the teeny-tiny contact patch...it's going to do it for you as well.

    You may never plan that sudden swerve. But when some idiot runs a stop sign with a trailer...and you can't stop...all you can do is steer around him...AND YOU CANNOT because you wanted to save a few bucks...that's when your scooter becomes one with his drawbar, your jewels one with the handlebar, and you become a grease spot on the far side of the pavement.

    Because you "never needed" that ability. Like I needed it...yup, it happened to me.
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    I NEVER have inflated any tyre 60 psi HIGHER than recommended limits during installation. That's just simply playing smart, and by the rules.

    100 psi is equal to 6.5 atm --
    A astronaut can survive zero Atmospheric pressure (complete depressurization) for about 9-10 seconds. A change of six and one half that much? That's TOO much.
    THE BODY AT VACUUM
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  17. Cat0020

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    Dude, you need to come up with senerio that are not idiotic to test your theories. :bert

    Wrong, unsafe for some does not mean unsafe for all.

    You and I, we do not deal with the same traffic.

    You and I do not ride the same roads.

    You and I do not ride in the same conditions.

    Rider response has more effects on the outcome of adverse riding conditions than difference in equipment or tires. A capable rider can maneuver through the exact same turn under similar conditions, regardless of what tire the vehicle has mounted.
    If you have a hard time with tires that are mounted on your vehicle and keep loosing control of your vehicle because of it; then you are a lousy rider who can not adapt to different tires.

    Practice in an empty parking lot for a few hours and take few hundred figure-8's to get yourself familiar with the tire's limitation might be easy enough to improve your skills.

    Why are you inflating tires to 60 psi in the first place?

    Are you drawing analogy between the durability of car tire vs human body in vacuum?? :lol3 :lol3 :lol3
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  18. CaseyJones

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    It seems like a religious faith.

    They KNOW. They have their high apostles. Don't you dare bring FACT into the discussion!!! :norton
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  19. Cat0020

    Cat0020 El cheapo

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    Religion is belief in someone else's experience; believing someone else's BS as truth.

    Spirituality is having your own experience.

    Do you have any of your own experience that you can claim as FACT?
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  20. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    No. That's reasoning and applied logic. Some people are dishonest or are arguing stridently and loudly from assertion alone.

    Others know the subject, and can give rational reasons for their position. It is up to an intelligent listener to weigh whether there is logic behind the assertion; or if the source of the quoted facts knows his material (maybe because he and his colleagues ENGINEERED the items in question?)

    No. That's experience. It's valid but only partly. I can drive to the next state on tires with the cord showing. Doesn't mean it's safe or that anyone, anywhere, will make those miles with the belts exposed.

    It only means I could do it, that time. To get a true picture, more facts are needed, including accident analyses; statistics on tire failures, tests on why tires lose traction in rain.

    Yep. I can claim I've read the comments of motorcycle writers and reviewers who interviewed motorcycle engineers and tire engineers.

    I can use my knowledge of the dynamics of tire deflection to understand why a car tire would not be suitable under motorcycle-turning conditions.

    All those come together in agreement. And then there's a loud poster on a BBS who INSISTS that until I DO it, I can't know what I'm talking about.
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