GPS for Android - is there an app to rule them all?

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by dartmouth01, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Hi Dolly,

    I am glad that you enjoyed the trip. If you can live without route recalculation and if you have wifi at home, then it should be working already. The navigation itself is 100% offline, maps can be offline as well, so it works out quite good. The issue with offline route calculation is that route calculation needs a lot of resources and the framework we use struggles on end devices for long routes. So having offline route calculation is not a simple thing and we need to proceed carefully, meaning it's not ready next week, but maybe in the future.

    Best,
    Robin
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  2. BiBabyMoses06

    BiBabyMoses06 n00b

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    Loving the kurviger app so far. Maybe I missed it, but is there any way for me to import the google route that I create without kurviger changing the route? I'd like exactly what I imported into Kurviger.
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  3. chrisjk

    chrisjk Been here awhile

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    If I select a track file in the cloud I can open it with a variety of apps on my phone. If I choose Kurviger Pro I am presented with a panel that offers three choices for import tytpe
    1. Overlay
    2. Route
    3. Overlay /route

    These show your gpx file as unchanged, as routed by Kurviger and both. Option 1 would appear to fit your wish.
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  4. BiBabyMoses06

    BiBabyMoses06 n00b

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    Got it. Thanks. Turns out its kind of useless for me as it doesn't do turn by turn, but I could follow along on the screen I suppose. On that note, i've been testing out the turn by turn around town and have gotten several errors such as verbal commands to turn Right when it is clearly a 90* left turn, and also commands to turn left or right in the middle of a straight road where the route continues straight.
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  5. chrisjk

    chrisjk Been here awhile

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    Kurviger is being developed at a rapid pace and it would be worth your while to keep an eye on it. The devleopers are very responsive to suggestions and communicate better than almost any other developers I have come across.

    Meanwhile there are other apps you can use. My favourite for following a track is TomTom Go mobile. This needs to be used in conjunction with their website which allows you to upload gpx files which are then transferred automatically over the air (by wifi or cellphone data) to your phone. You get TBT in a great clear voice. It is a subscription service but worth it in my view. This works for roads that are on the TomTom maps, it is not suitable for offroading and there may occasionally be differences between what is shown on TomTom maps and others (Google, OSM etc.). TomTom gives you traffic info which I find useful and its presentation of POI data, its handling of speed limits, camera postions etc. is also very good.

    TomTom offers to design routes for you if you wish (curvy, hilly etc.) It works quite well but I am liking Kurviger better for this at the moment so I will often take a Kurviger designed route and upload that into TomTom.

    Locus Map will give you voice guided navigation of tracks you import and it handles offroad. You can use a bewildering array of maps with it too. It doesn't do traffic and speed cameras though. However, it is an immensly powerful app which I love. I won't try to repeat here all its features there is a dedicated Locus thread for that.

    Kurviger, TomTom and Locus are the three apps that I use all the time for navigation, often all three in a single ride.
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  6. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Thanks for the nice words :). As Chris suggested correctly you could only load the track as overlay, which, as you stated correctly, does not offer turn-by-turn instructions. What I usually do is to import a track with overlay+routing, only use very few points when importing and set a couple of additional via-points in the UI. I can usually load a regular 200-300 km motorcycle route with this approach in 1-2 minutes. I wrote a tutorial for this some time ago, it's written for the website, but can be easily used in the app as well.

    Regarding the missing or wrong turn instructions, this should not happen. I haven't seen any serious issues with the turn instructions for some time now. Would you mind posting 1-2 examples in our forum so we can try to fix them. For posting examples the best is to plan a very short route on the website and share the link.

    @chrisjk thanks for the nice words, we are trying our best to constantly improve Kurviger :).

    Best,
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  7. BiBabyMoses06

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    Here is the only screen shot I took when testing last night. Verbal navigation had told me to turn right at this point, yet note that the arrow is turning left. When I got to the left hand turn, the directional arrow changed to left, but verbally she was telling me to turn right still. I hope to experiment a little more with it, ill screen shot and report any errors I get back here.

    Screenshot: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-4TVzMQ2hIKZlltamR6V1d1UEU

    I am starting a small touring company (self guided and semi-guided) and we are currently working on choosing GPS devices. We need to make custom routes with turn by turn directions throughout the day (that need minimal user input). Daily trips average about 100 miles per day (with 5-10 stops per day), lasting 2-3 days. If a rider or driver turns off the route, the GPS should navigate the rider back to the route, rather than just to the next point. We actually purchased 4 Garmin Zumo 595lm GPS units but plan on returning them as we are less than impressed. Custom routing frankly stinks and is not easy to use, the mounting options are very limited, and they don't offer a method of powering the device without a slew of other connections coming out of the wiring harness. I'd much rather pick up a slew of RAM aquaboxs and cell phones with GPS instead if we can get something to work reliably. Google is so very close to being perfect, and for drivers it MIGHT work us with a few quirks.

    The app also needs to work on multiple cellphones at the same time, meaning, 1 google account for example, 4-6 apps running on the same google account. Alternatively, 4-6 google accounts running the app, but we cant afford to pay for 4-6 of the same app.
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  8. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    As I thought, you imported way too many waypoints, don't overdo it with waypoints. 5 waypoints per km are not an issue, but I recommend not using more than 1 per km. 50 waypoints per km are too much ;).

    You can try the Kurviger app for this, IMHO it's reasonably reliable. Not sure what happens if you use the same Google account multiples devices, at some point Google might complain.

    Best,
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  9. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    Google doesn't complain, SOME (some, instead of what autocomplete thought I meant) of the application developers complain about accessing their cloud services (amazon music/movies/etc) with multiple devices.

    Google has a "family mode" in their market also, for sharing apps across multiple devices. read the fine print though. ;-)
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  10. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Well family library works different, it's different Google accounts AFAIK.

    > The app also needs to work on multiple cellphones at the same time, meaning, 1 google account for example, 4-6 apps running on the same google account. Alternatively, 4-6 google accounts running the app, but we cant afford to pay for 4-6 of the same app.

    I don't really get this to be honest. If you can afford buying a couple Garmin Zumos, how is purchasing a $7 app 4-6 times not affordable?

    Best,
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  11. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    Hell, all 3 apps I've purchased. OSMAnd, Locus, and now Kurviger cost less than one Gamin map update. :lol2
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  12. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    1- Normally it's just that - a family account for sharing apps across multiple accounts. Of course people will try and abuse this with their neighbors or whatever, but I doubt mapping apps will suffer from this.
    2- ouch. that's going to hurt your sales if/when you start expecting people to pony up a $5-10 per seat license. Lots of folks use more than one chromebook/laptop (bluestacks)/phone/tablet, and once they see they have to pay per seat... it's getting flushed for another app that doesn't require that.
    3- I think you'll find 99% of the folks willing to pay for an application don't see using it across multiple devices as 'abuse' at all. They MIGHT use it across 3-4 devices for an hour while planning/syncing stuff before a trip. After that, I doubt you'll see multiple logins on the same account, ever. They are using "what I paid for" to get it done, and get riding. I can't think of a scenario besides a multi-day enduro, where a group might use an app for group tracking, that would cause you much grief of expense.

    As far as 'expensive' features, that's on the developer ! If you want to cut the costs, take it OFFLINE and you won't have to pay for the routing services and/or mapping tiles. The folks that buy the license just want to USE it, and generally don't care if it costs more to USE IT for a 100 mile trip or a 1,000 mile trip. They just won't see your costs as their problem.

    4- again, they're buying a license for an app. they're used to buying once, and using on multiple devices. It's been that way for a long long time, and it's one of the reasons people keep the same gmail/google account active for years instead of changing things on a whim... they have invested around $30-1000 in apps over the years, and those apps still work on the 'new' phone they just bought. This is also a reason why people started dumping standalone gps units years ago... They got free updates to their PAID and FREE apps, each time the update was realeased to market, or they got a new phone/tablet. The standalone method of forcing people to update HARDWARE in order to get new SOFTWARE is dying. Your app, kurviger works better on a s7 than it does on a g1, and people expect it to be 'there' when they login to that new device the first time. If they have to pay for each device change.... there will be problems.

    :-)
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  13. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    1. Sure, but I don't really think anyone will actually bother ;).
    2-4. Ok, I think I wrote this the wrong way. Just use the app, you will be fine. I was talking about abuse not regular usage. I have more than one device with the same Google account and use the Kurviger app across all my devices as well.

    Best,
    Robin
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    We'll experiment more. Cutting down the way points has helped a lot.

    As far as price, most of the apps I had looked at had monthly recurring fees which add up (especially when buying multiple licenses). There are cheaper options that I am discovering but nothing has really worked the way we need yet. Our start up money came from a grant and it's not that we cant afford it, its that we're looking to save as much as possible without cutting too many corners. We will be saving lots by returning the Zumos and buying phones but still, looking to spend as little as possible where possible. That might mean we buy a more expensive system if it works. I should have phrased it differently. Still have lots of experimenting to do.

    I messaged RideWithGPS, which someone mentioned earlier, and they informed me that they actually have an account for tour operators which we are looking into. The only issue with them is that their navigation does not navigate a rider back to the route if they leave the route. It is up to the rider to find their way back to the route to continue. This also isn't a huge issue, bit it would be a nice feature.
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    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    I just realized your country is Germany ) right? ) and you might not speak English natively ? I'm sorry, it's very easy to get the translation wrong about certain words. :-)

    sorry about that, I should have checked that
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  16. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    I understand, I think buying the app once should be fine in your situation then, feel free to shoot us an email to android[ at ]kurviger.de if you have further questions regarding your situation.

    Yes that's true, I am not a native English speaker, maybe I have expressed myself the wrong way. Sorry for any inconveniences.

    Cheers,
    Robin
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  17. abhi

    abhi XC on RE

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    @kurviger Looks very promising. Will put down the money and buy it. Thanks for sharing.

    Not a native English speaker, so if you want any help with User Testing, let me know.
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    If you can wait just a little longer, Sena is supposed to release the 30K pretty soon. It uses mesh networking like the Packtalk to keep connections more stable than the 20S. I'm trying to hold off until then... we'll see if I have enough discipline to do so.
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  19. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Thanks, let me know if you have any questions. Regarding the user testing, sure if you find anything that seems odd, be it a translation, app behavior, or routing result, please let us know. Thanks for the offer.

    Cheers,
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  20. abhi

    abhi XC on RE

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    Sure. Bought and installed it for now. Will give it a go in a few days.
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