GPS for Android - is there an app to rule them all?

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by dartmouth01, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Hi TB,

    thanks a lot for your detailed feedback.

    1. Yes this seems possible and actually makes a lot of sense. I just added this for the website, I expect that it should work for the app as well, but I will double check.

    2. Not sure, you can check our documentation. There might be issues when you are looking for a certain house number, house numbers might not be tagged in OSM, depending on the area. You can also try to switch the search provider (settings->routing->address lookup provider).

    3. You can long press on the map to set start, vai, end, or extend the route like you can do on the website. Also see our getting started guide.

    4. This is already on our todo list and should be added in one of the next versions.

    5. I highly recommend having one route per day or even per part of the day. This makes the management of the routes easier, you can also plan the parts with different options, maybe you want the first part of the route to go on very small streets, but the second part should be more relaxed. We recently added a new format .kurviger which allows you to open a route without needing internet. The app will pickup, where you left it, if you don't close the app. We are currently working on improving this, but right now you would need to reload the route, after closing the app, note: switching to a different app and back to Kurviger is not closing. Closing means, you restart your phone or close it with the double back button option. So in theory it might work to keep the state of the app overnight. Practically, we have seen some cases where Android closes apps, when they haven't been used for a longer time, so we don't recommend it, as we cannot control the behavior of Android.

    6. This really depends on the situation and on your route settings. If you use the default routing, this should not happen, but it might happen with e.g. "avoid main roads". However, this usually indicates incorrect OSM tagging, maybe you could post a link to a route where you have seen the issue, then I could give you a more detailed answer.

    Best,
    Robin
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  2. Tenacious B

    Tenacious B inward singer

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    Hi Robin,

    1 & 2 seem to work well playing with the website just now, thanks for the update!

    For 6, I'll try later in the week to get a good example for you.
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  3. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Hi TB,

    thanks for your feedback. The app has also been updated. Let us know if you got any further feedback or questions.

    Best,
    Robin
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  4. petertakov

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    Hi Robin,

    Does the Kurviger app have an option to automatically turn the screen off between turns and then turning it back on at user predefined distance before the next turn?

    OSMand has that and I find it very useful for dealing with overheating but also for saving battery when no power is available for whatever reason.

    Thanks
    Peter
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  5. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Hi Peter,

    this is not yet included. We are working on it though. Improvements to our "screen off" behaviour are one of the next things we are working on.

    Best,
    Robin
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  6. MiniNL

    MiniNL Dutchie in the US

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    This seems to have turned into kind of a kurviger app thread, but has anyone tried Hema Explorer or Gaia? It's geared a little more towards 4WD, but it seems like it should work for bikes as well. Added benefit would be that I can use it in my 4Runner as well (for when it rains lol). I've got a rugged Android phone coming tomorrow, so I've been doing some research :).
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  7. dhally

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    I use Gaia. Nice thing is you can plan on the web site and everything automatically synchronizes with my phone. Good range of maps available. On the web site even trails are routable.
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  8. somepunk22

    somepunk22 Been here awhile

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    This might be a stupid question, but what are these apps providing that google maps can't do?
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  9. dhally

    dhally Hammerhead

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    I like the topo and USFS maps from Gaia vs. what Google has for back country travel. Its really hard to see minor roads and names on Google, and they don't always have the right road number. There are no trails on Google. Also the ability to make tracks, but I don't use that much.

    For highways I agree Google works great.
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  10. wbbnm

    wbbnm Long timer

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    Does Google maps have the ability to download maps to the phone so you can navigate offline?

    It does seem to show a lot of roads, but not all the minor ones. And it is hard to see minor roads without having to zoom way in.

    My main navigation method is to follow tracks I either get from others or create myself on a computer.
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  11. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    create tracks, record tracks, edit tracks (or routes), organize thousands of miles of tracks and waypoints in a logical database, backup said database automatically, share said database, display a hundred different maps sources, download each of those, and transfer it all in a minute or less to another phone/tablet.

    while offline.
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  12. petertakov

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    GM can't even navigate or follow predefined tracks/routes created in Google's own MyMaps.

    GM is also VERY limited in terms of customisation and settings. It really only works for people who want to go from A to B and not be bothered by how. I can't make it switch the display off between turns, for example, or configure what I see n the screen.

    On the other hand, GM probably has the best realtime traffic statistics.

    And finally, I found that in most cases OSMap is much more detailed, accurate and up-to-date, at least in Southern Europe.
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  13. worwig

    worwig Long timer

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    I use them all.
    But I seldom use Goggle Maps on long rides. GM give you few routing options. GM is generally speaking online only (yes, you can fart around and download maps). GM does not have a handful of my waypoints and my routes available. GM screen rendering colors are not good in sunlight.

    If I need to get from A to B, GM is usually my go to app. But when I want to ride something that I have planned ahead of time, I prefer one of my many other apps. And often I ride with no routing, but just a moving map display. Other apps often have better readability.
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  14. Toddv

    Toddv Been here awhile

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    Kurviger looks to be a great app and will be my goto on an upcoming 3K mile trip. The only weakness I have seen for my use is that there seems to be spots in roads it simply will not cross. I suspect it has to do with OSM maps but it will on some occasions will route you on a 20 mile loop to go around a 500' patch of road on the same street for some odd reason. For instance there is a spot on the Blue Ridge Parkway, just north of Asheville, that it will not cross no matter what settings you pick or what avoidances you choose. Just something to be aware of. The only work around I have found is to stop your route and start another on the other side of it, it may work to just ignore it I guess but then it throws the time and distance calculations off.

    Attached Files:

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  15. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Hi Todd,

    thanks a lot for notifying us about this. I just fixed the OSM data. There was a barrier which was not tagged as accessible. You can find the barrier here, I marked it as accessible. Here is a test url of the issue on Kurviger. The update of the data on the server usually takes about 1 week, so this route should be working soon.

    In general Kurviger is conservative when it comes to calculating routes. We try to give you the best experience, and try to prevent you from riding down 50 miles on some road just to realize that there is a barrier that you cannot cross. Therefore, we require barriers to be clearly marked as accessible.

    If you find similar issues, please don't hesitate to inform us, we will have a look at the data and try to improve the routing where possible.

    There is also a documentation about this here.

    Cheers,
    Robin
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  16. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    oruxmaps, Osmand, locus, and others can plot a route manually around errors on maps. you might want to take a few rides with whichever application you plan to trust on that long trip.... before you set out. ;-)
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  17. Myway

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    Barriers access must be set on all barriers, there some default for foot, but general it must be set to all kinds of transportation modes.

    access=yes on a gate, some routing give this a penalty, because closed gate open it and close it there should be a tag for a gate that is always open to drive through, temporally closed because of ice or so.
    Penalty can give also strange routing.

    But if you set access=yes on a barrier and this is for example a cattlegrid, you must notice that a horse can not go over, so must be set horse=no. There more examples, you must think about, what to set.

    and motorcycle:forward and motocycle:backward is also used often in some countries, because of traffic_signs. This for all transportation modes.

    also conditional and there is also motorcycle:forward:conditional etc.

    Ford, there all kinds of fords, not reading some on kurviger.

    Lately, I saw this one. Like above.
    a JOSM style.
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  18. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Generally speaking, Kurviger will allow you to route through a ford. Similar to gates, fords have to be marked as accessible as well. I just updated our documentation about fords. Please let us know if there are any questions or uncertainties.

    Cheers,
    Robin
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  19. Myway

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    Fords do not need access! If there is a ford drawn it is accessible, the only problem is that there is to much water in it, temporally because of rain, some are dry, intermittent.
    In OSM we give none of the fords a access tag, so here you go wrong, in a lot of countries, there are a lot of fords. You need fords to get to the city/village.
    example village to village Bolivia zoom in then you see all the ford icons in this area. Dakar race stages are there.
    Beter is to give a popup info, that how many fords need to be crossed or tracks (unpaved are in the route) grade 2-5 And a weather warning. Or a check uncheck fords.

    Because there a lot of roads qualified (sometimes to low, must be ) tertairy and secondairy, because their going from village to village from town to town, mostly ground roads, heavy rain on roads makes it very slippery, fords, then impassable, this led to cancelled dakar stages.


    From bivouac to bivouac,
    fastest
    and
    kurviger.
    But this kurviger goes over the Salar de Uyuni, not always dry. Estimated time?


    oeps, with ford Warning not god placed icon ,could be a dead end road.

    Villazon red icon along this river dakar stage. Over Argentina not getting there.
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  20. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Thanks a lot for the feedback, I was writing the wiki too fast, sorry for the confusion. Access on fords is indeed almost unused (unfortunately, the same is true for depth and seasonal), and usually only used to block a ford and not allow it. I corrected this part.

    We are currently working on improving the whole ford handling of Kurviger. The problem is that we want to generate safe routes, but at the same time, OSM data is not always clear if the route is safe or not. It happens too easy that we might create that are not passable. So we have to be cautious.

    Regarding the estimated time: we can only use the data that is available to us. In OSM this is marked as secondary and for us there is no way to assume that there might be an issue with this road ("Salar de Uyuni"). Currently we don't have a special handling for surface=salt. What would be the appropriate handling here?

    Thanks for all the examples, they help us a lot to see what is happening and why.

    BTW: I created a note in OSM here, I think one ford at this point would be enough.

    > oeps, with ford Warning not god placed icon ,could be a dead end road.

    Thanks, we will improve the error message here.

    > Villazon red icon along this river dakar stage. Over Argentina not getting there.

    I think both routes are equal?

    Thanks a lot!

    Cheers,
    Robin