GPS for Android - is there an app to rule them all?

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by dartmouth01, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. Myway

    Myway Long timer

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    Yes, both routes are equal, just showing a other background aerial and map border Argentina. This is a important route for the people, who live along the river many villages towns. It must route over there, if router can not do it is not usable.

    Tagging a ford, there small fords and long fords, crossing the river or even ride in the river for several kilometer.
    Then you need to know, where the ford starts! (roadboak thinking :D)
    Therefore i use the line to set the ford, very very, small ones, i use the node.

    But other do not think this way, they tag to easy way, one node is enough. On a line, they must cut the road and set tagging. To much work, :(.


    Water is drawn as a line (waterway=river) or as a polygone (natural=water water =river).
    The highway must be attached to the water, the line or polygon.

    Your example:
    ford=yes
    highway=primary
    surface=dirt

    primary, because The next most important roads in a country's system. (Often link larger towns.)
    There not much ways

    I was ticked on my fingers, that i have done to much track tagging to houses, this must be al least unclassified with surface.
    Reason, most routing program do not use track to route, you know that in Bolivia in rural we do not have low motorcar, we must route with high motorcar and truck. Highway tagging is tagging the importance of a road. All the othert tags, how it looks like, the usability, surface, smoothness.
    Same for a sportbike and a adventures bike. Although you can do a lot with a sportsbike around the world.

    Someone even set hazard=erosion on a way to mark points where erosion could effect the road.

    The node ford is not necessary, but it does not harm. Although one node is enough, not on all nodes of the ford line.
    You can filter this out, when a node is on a ford line do not show it.
    A ford line is more accurate.
    This example is what I ment with long ford to a village, a part (river) permanent flow (the cross), but the dry river to the village, key:intermittent (dashed line) is also riding in the river (ride through) and should be a ford with intermittent. The road is not always dry. Although on the sides but you see on the aerial how river flow marked the entire bank.
    The difference with intermittent and seasonal, seasonal is a certain period, the season, intermittent can happen all year long. Rainy season, use could be tricky.

    The road is not tagged as it should, what could happen on this road.
    Does it matter, one little point in a road can make a road impassable.

    In Bolivian on vacation in a area, you must think like a Bolivian.
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  2. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Thanks for the detailed reply. Having the same information twice in OSM is in my opinion an issue. If the situation changes, you have to change two fords and not just one, so it happens too easy that one ford is forgotten and people might wonder why there might be unexpected routes or weird cartography results. And yes, if the ford is intermittent, we should tag it that way. Kurviger will also route through intermittent fords.

    Regarding track vs. unclassified this is a typical issue with OSM.

    We are working on improving the behavior at fords :).

    Cheers,
    Robin
  3. Myway

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    I agree, ford once is enough, ..........and should be a issue............. the line is the best, like a bridge.
    People want to see it on the map, if a render does not render it the same, people make new node for the icon to appear or other reasons.
    So, the way must have a ford render on its line but also a icon in the middle of the way (not on node).

    Also in editors. OSM taggers does not always based their judgment on the basic data but on a map or render visualisation. Doing things twice, not knowing the impact on other objects.
    Mapsme, is such a editor, which give us a lot of work to redo the double, people expect to see the changed tag directly on the map, IT does not work that way.

    GPS, also a render, user of data, that do not understand the meaning of a line ford, warning must be at the beginning of the ford not at the middle icon.

    This is why in Bolivia there both on the road.
    I asked, why someone was redoing the fords. From way to node. He destroyed the work of others. Way is more accurate.
    This is a man, who drive a 4x4
    Tagging for the render.

    I asked to repair all of it but he did not, now way ford and multiple nodes ford. :(
    Id editor user so many changeset to set back. And deleting all the good he did.

    Maybe a mechanical edit worldwide, deleting all the ford on node on ford ways?
    Could be searched for with a overpass query.
    All ways with ford=yes, looking for node ways, with ford=yes

    http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/rZ5
  4. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Thanks for the overpass query. Yes you are right, ways with ford=yes are the better solution IMHO and the warning sounds like a software issue of the used GPS and should not be solved in OSM as the tagging as way is already correct and sufficient. Yes probably someone has to check the ford tags and merge the ways with the nodes, maybe this could be done automatically. Since this is a motorcycle forum and not an OSM forum, I started a new topic in the OSM forum to get some more opinions on the topic. I hope this makes sense to you :)?

    Cheers,
    Robin
  5. Myway

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    Is it merge the nodes with the ways? Keeping the ways on the map.
  6. Myway

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    There is the, why? But the answer shows us, there is the need for a warning. This needs a solution.

    But what is it? Discussion here.
  7. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Yes, we certainly need a good solution here. Maybe we can find a good solution that satisfies everyone :). Kurviger is working on a good solution here as well.

    Cheers,
    Robin
  8. Heipaal

    Heipaal Always the hard way

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    Been using Osmand for a few days now, I like it so far, using a Samsung galaxy tab active for navigation, it doesn't register glove touches but there is a stylus supplied!
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  9. Toddv

    Toddv Been here awhile

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    After the trip I have some feedback. I stopped using the app a few days in mainly because without being able to run off voice prompts only it was killing the battery in the phone faster than my charger could keep up. Is there a way to light the screen within a mile of the turn and turn it back off if selected? If not, to simply keep the app running while the screen is off and use voice prompts like in Google maps? Some phones get very hot if left on while being charged, especially in hot weather.

    There were also a good number of voice prompts that were opposite the actual direction of the turn, probably 6 or 7 in the first 1K miles which would be an issue if not looking at the screen. i.e. it says turn left when really it's a right turn or vice versa. I think it may be because the points that it plots at each turn aren't enough, maybe it needs more data to reliably see which way the turn actually is? Maybe if the point isn't plotted in the right spot it appears to the app that the turn is the opposite of what it really is? I ended up using my route that I designed on your site and programming Goggle maps to follow it, not without it's own issues, like auto re-routing to a faster route when I didn't want it. lol

    Another issue I had was it was giving me a ridiculous amount of turns, it seemed like I couldn't go a mile without having to make a turn for an hour or so. In such cases it shouldn't keep you off larger roads or highways at all costs, sometimes you need to bite the bullet to get to the good roads without the frustration of turn after turn and no matter which setting I used it would not give me a break. :) This was in a rural part of Pennsylvania where there just weren't any good route but it still would not use a highway even for a few miles to get around it.

    Some of the text on the screen is on the small side and a display of the current speed limit would be awesome to know.

    I do love the app and concept and look forward to seeing the work you are doing.

    O there was another spot on my route on a road called Wayah Rd with the same issue as the one on The Blue Ridge Pkwy. Looks like the change you made has fixed that one also!
  10. Toddv

    Toddv Been here awhile

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    I had backups, I just really liked the routing I got worked out with Kurviger and it was easy to use and required very little extra input to find great roads. With some tweaking I see good things!

    I had Locus but never felt like trying to figure it out, not a quick and intuitive interface but looks very powerful for sure. I had already invested too much time in GPS education and researching the things I needed to know regarding GPX files and the like.

    I had some decent experience with Mapfactor which is a great app but doesn't have support for importing GPX files, well they say it does but I could not get it to work on my phone.

    Regardless, I had a good trip. Covered 8 states, 2800 miles, saw some friends and family, tent camped the whole way, and on a Panagale...
  11. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Hi Todd,

    thanks for the detailed feedback. Your trip sounds awesome. Would love to do something like this in the US sometime, as well :).

    Regarding the screen off issue, this is a known limitation right now and we are looking into solving this issue. There is a work-around for this until we implement navigation with screen off. I know this is not ideal, but this is one of our top priorities right now.

    Regarding incorrect turn voice prompts, I just wrote a faq post about this. Essentially, we see this issue usually when importing GPX files, if you did not import a GPX file, it would be great if you could tell me where this happened, preferably with a Kurviger link, so we can investigate the issue.

    Regarding the number of turns, this indeed sounds not ideal. Usually, the fastest route should get you on the motorway/highway. Could you send me a Kurviger link so I can check the issue? Apart from that, we have a couple of improvements in mind to reduce the number of turns. This is certainly a point that is open for optimization :).

    Displaying the speed limit is already on the todo list :). I would really like this as well.

    Regarding the font size, which texts would you like to have in a bigger font and what device are you using? BTW: We usually prefer doing these detailed discussions in our forum, this makes it easier to find a consensus with all users and to collect multiple opinions on the topic.

    Cheers,
    Robin
  12. Myway

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    Topic: Rule them all. :D

    No, there is ................, because............

    They do not use motorcycle=dismount.

    What is this?

    It is allowed, walking with your motorcycle in your hands.

    On bicycle, this is more used, bicycle=dismount. Even in routes. To get a nice route, going on.
    Talk a walk of 100 meter and you can go on further in a nice area, the short cut, not the bypass over the highway or through a industrial park/residential area.
    http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s6I
    In a lot of countries, it is allowed to walk with your motorcycle on footway, sidewalk, pedestrian, cycleway, (path).
    Country default access restrictions, but when there is a exception, it must be tagged.!!
    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki.../Access-Restrictions#United_States_of_America
    But motorcycle riders must set these short cuts themselves, specific adventures short cuts. :rofl
    Take a account on Openstreetmap.org :clap Set the dismount. :lol3

    Not often used, yet............
    motorcycle=dismount
    http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s6J
    http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s6M
    http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s6L
  13. webmonstro

    webmonstro A Aventura Continua....

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    One thing that I like about oruxmap is that you can use the volume + and - buttons to zoom in / out . This is really usefull because most time zoom is the most used function and all phones have these buttons

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  14. kurviger

    kurviger Bloke from Kurviger.de

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    Interesting, I never heard of that. In the first example it would not work as a small part is not tagged, in the third example the surroundings are also just tagged as footpath, so this would not work either. I will put it on my todo list to review this, but as it's almost unused it might not make sense to consider it? BTW: I personally would not want to push my motorcycle for 300m, especially if it's slightly uphill and hot. Not sure how others feel about this? Is there a good example where this would allow a great ride, by following the local rules?

    This is an interesting feature, thanks for letting us know.

    Cheers,
    Robin
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