GPS Question

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by BgDadddy, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. BgDadddy

    BgDadddy Spectacular!!

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    Hi All,

    I have a Garmin Zumo 550 that I transfer between bikes, depending on what I'm riding at the time. It's about 7 years old now and I'm ready for an upgrade.

    Do any of the new Zumos use the same mounting cradle?

    What GPS are others using these days?

    Thanks!
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  2. GSWayne

    GSWayne Old Guy nOOb

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    Look at the top of this forum, there is a note suggesting you ask GPS questions in the forum dedicated to that stuff. Should get better response there.
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  3. wonderings

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    I do not think any of the new Zumo models use the same cradle. If you buy a new Zumo though I believe you get all the cradles for bike and car.
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  4. Schmokel

    Schmokel I got peed on today.

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  6. Nashcat

    Nashcat Too late, always comes too early

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    The cradle for the 550 won't work for any of the new Zumos. I'll try to answer your question, without showing a bunch of stuff that you didn't ask for. I'm running a Zumo 660LM that I bought on closeout, when they discontinued that model. Bought 2 additional cradles that are expensive, as you probably know. I works fine for me, swapping among 3 bikes.

    The two new Zumos models, the 395LM and 595LM, are expensive, but probably worth it, if you use it every time you ride, which is something I usually do. Plus, they actually work where there isn't cell phone coverage.
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  7. Schmokel

    Schmokel I got peed on today.

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    Perhaps you missed this part.


    Odd. My setup has no cell phone usage, no data plan, and not even a SIM card installed. I can download maps for nearly every country in the world. I can also can connect to any free wi-fi if I need to.
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  8. worwig

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    A cellphone GPS works without cell phone coverage. Sorry you didn't know this. All modern cell phones use true GPS plus Glonass.
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    I have been using a Montana for about 5 years and am happy with it. It uses the Amps rugged mount cradle. I think the cradle costs less then $30 and you need about $15 worth of RAM handlebar stuff.
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  10. DRONE

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    In answer to this specific question, most guys are using smartphones now. If their vision is not so hot, then they use a BIG smartphone. As demonstrated by Nashcat above, there are still a lot of guys in the dark who have no idea that smartphones work superbly as a GPS anywhere on the planet. And you don't need to buy it from a cell carrier or have any kind of plan.

    Start reading the MANY MANY threads in this section that discuss the best phones and apps for both android and iOS, find a good cheap used phone on eBay (like the waterproof KyoceraDuraForce HD), get yourself a decent mount (like the Perfect Squeeze), buy some new touchscreen capable gloves from Revzilla (they have a search filter that lets you see ONLY touchscreen enabled gloves), and away you go. Never pay another penny to Garmin!
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  11. Nashcat

    Nashcat Too late, always comes too early

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    I knew that phones were GPS capable. I just haven't seen one yet, that you can see in bright daylight, especially when it's in a case. Your opinion may be different. For a bigger screen, I can put my iPad in a cover on top of my Givi tank bag, and run downloaded maps from Google,

    For the folks running phones for their GPS without cell service, do your downloaded maps have POI's, such as gas, food, attractions? What app are you running on the phone to share routes and tracks? The reason that I joined this site was for the excellent info in the mapping and navigation section. After reading all the pros and cons, I stayed with Garmin.
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  12. DRONE

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    Yes, of course! And many of them prompt you to download free updates pretty regularly.

    There is an entire section of ADV dedicated to Mapping and Navigation [LINK]. Go check it out! Lots of threads about routes and tracks on various apps.

    Google Maps on my iPad? No thank you! Google Maps are fine when connected to WiFi, but for over the road? No way. Download OsmAnd to your iPad, then download highly detailed maps of the entire country (and Canada, and Mexico, and the rest of the world if you want) all for free. (OsmAnd is only one of about 10 navigation apps I have on my iPad.) There are plenty of threads about using an iPad for navigation (HERE is a list of 20 of them) and the longest one is this one -- iPad Mini as GPS Using Sygic, CoPilot, Motion-X GPS Drive Apps

    Please go check it out. All this info is at your fingertips right here in ADV. All the research has already been done by your fellow inmates. You just need to click on the threads.
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    1 cases are bad:
    kills sunlight readability
    overheats devices
    makes touch very poor
    annoys when changing batteries, taking calls, taking pictures, charging, etc-
    ...get waterproof and forget cases.

    2 sharing files over Bluetooth/Wi-Fi/nfc/wifi direct/usb/sdcard /whatever is much much easier in smartphone land, provided the other device actually has the capability. sharing between a Garmin and smart devices is very poor, because the Garmin devices do not have full Bluetooth/wifi capabilities. if they can at all, you have to use proprietary software to share things, and maps are excluded from the availability. get a device that has full Bluetooth and wifi capability and sharing files is much much better than those crippled devices. the app i use are cgeo, locus, Google maps, osmand, oruxmaps, gps averaging, and others. mostly only one application-locus.

    3 take your time, there is a lot of current info.

    4 that's fine. you'll miss out on a lot of the usability/innovation ( that means not having to carry a laptop with you )of the last decade, but it works... mostly ;-)
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  14. Schmokel

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    Yep. OSM. Its great for exploring. Though, for door to door navigation it doesn't give exact addresses; only intersections. So if you're looking for 1234 Main St, it will only do the intersection of Main St and Maple Ave. For that reason, I use CoPilot which is more direct routes.

    But yea OSM has gotten me all over New England. My riding will never be the same without it.
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    I just dug out my old iPhone that I replaced last year. It can't 't find my location in the mapping app, probably because it is no longer linked to my Verizon account. Dang! I had high hopes. :-(
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  16. DaMonk45

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    you have wi fi on that old phone?
    what mapping app are you trying to use?
    it should not need to be linked to any account.
    is there a gps utility in the apple store?
    If you phone has wi fi I would go get a gps app from the apple store and see if it can find you
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  17. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    i'm not familiar with which iphone models first had gps antennas so i googled it. the first hit on google told me:
    "All models of iPhone since the 3G, as well as the iPad 3G and iPad 2 3G, include Assisted GPS (AGPS)"

    If the google is accurate in it's results, your iphone has a gps antenna. If you had the gps turned ON in the settings, it will find your location, assuming there is enough satellite pings for any other device to find your location.

    verizon/att/tmo have nothing to do with gps positioning. they can ASSIST WITH POSITIONING through the a-gps stuff, but are not needed to do triangulate.

    yep, i'm sure about that. test it every time i take a road trip.

    now, you may not have a MAP for you area installed on that phone, but finding it's GPS COORDS should take from a few seconds to a few minutes, depending on how old the phones satellite almanac is.

    last year i tried to confuse several devices by putting them to sleep and traveling a few hundred miles... waking them up without cellular (or wifi) services, and turning on the gps antenna. they worked fine (of course) and locked within -seconds- of powering on.
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  18. DRONE

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    It should work fine. How old of a iPhone we talking about? Doesn't matter--just go into Settings, then General, find Restrictions, then find Location Services. Click on that to make sure that Location Services are enabled. Then go back to Settings and put it in Airplane Mode so that you have no cell service and no Wi-Fi. Then try your mapping app again. Make sure it's a real nav app, not a data-driven streaming app like Google Maps or Apple Maps--you don't want those. You want to try it with something like Maps.me or Here Maps which won't take up much room in your memory. After you do that, then tell us again that it doesn't work.
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    I used a Garmin 590 LM for couple of years. Just recently upgraded to the 595 LM and prefer it to the 590. The 595 is on sale currently at GPS City and Revzilla for $699, which is a really good deal, have't seen them that low before. It's not a perfect unit, but my only real beef with them is that I find the audio quality of the spoken nav direction to be poor. That was the case with my 590 as well, so I guess that's just how they are.
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  20. TraumaQueen

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    Hey all,
    I have a Zumo 350 that works okay, but I'm being tempted by the slick "Garmin Adventurous Routing finds curvy or hilly roads; limits major highways" and the TPS option on the 395.

    Has anyone used these specifically? Yay? Nay?

    TQ
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