GPSMAP 640 released--276C et al replacement.

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by v8dave, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I see many GPSMAP Chartplotter owners considering newer units for those same reasons. Just remember that there is a significant change in UI and the new units are much "simpler/different" in operation.
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    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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  3. QualityAir

    QualityAir Been here awhile

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    I've kept using my 640 due to it's large screen.
    My riding buddy's sporting a new 665 and my old 640 is still heads above it viewing on the bike at speed.
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    ClearwaterBMW The Examiner

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    has anyone ever called garmin to inquire about why they have STILL not allowed NEXRAD weather in the AUTO mode?

    it's a simple software "fix"
    i can't believe they haven't done this yet
  5. Gros Buck

    Gros Buck Beef = Packed Vegetables

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    First, I come from a navigational world. A Zumo 660 is good for people who actualy know nothing about navigation.

    Second, The 660 is worth absolutely nothing in Dual Sport.

    Nothing at Garmin is better then a 478. They walked backward standardizing on an interface for the dummies. That's what they sell mostly. Accounting rules I guess.

    Paul Jr oO 8
  6. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I assume you have used the zumo 660 extensively in coming to this conclusion, so could you please enlighten use dummies as to what features a Dual Sport capable GPS should have?

    Cheers,
  7. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    Depends on YOUR definition of what "Dual Sport" is.

    Jim Pilon coined the phrase when the factories were still using "Dual Purpose" as and adjective for their bikes. He coined the verb.

    In the Southwest, a "Dual Sport Ride" is any ride that uses a very minimum amount of city, county, and state roads. It uses as much single track and 2-track as possible. Since the bikes are street legal, the ride does not have to start down some dirt road, it can start in town. We were a bunch of old Enduro riders that wanted to go back to the 2-day, 500 mile Enduros without the time keeping when we started Dual Sport in the early 90s.

    Many forest camp grounds do not allow unlicensed vehicles and many trails now start off paved roads so a Dual Sport bike is a must in many places.

    For Dual Sport events, the promoters have provided Roll Charts since the begining, but now offer download of tracks. Riders must be able to turn tracks on/off tracks as the ride proceeds. They must see the color of each track to know hard/easy ways.

    Many groups of friends now organize their rides with GPS tracks only navagation. No more "follow the leader" in a cloud of dust, or stopping at turn and waiting for next rider to stop there.

    Basically the rides are designed around the track capabilities of the 60/76/e-trex. The new 78 may change that when at least 30% of users have upgraded.

    Although we call it Small Adventure Bike Riding, in some places a KLR fully loaded with camping gear riding graded county dirt roads is called Daul Sport riding. So like I said, depends on your definition.
  9. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Hi Jerry,

    Truly, thanks for the history lesson. It's always fun to know who/what/where/when/why. It is about the "definition". What I was getting at was just that. We have a growing and broadening community of riders, off-highway and off-road, that turn out to participate in the Dual Sport community.

    I do not believe that there is the definitive GPS that fits the whole communities wants/needs. But, I think there are a set of features that are common in the community even as it broadens.

    You hit on a few of them: Track navigation, on-screen viewing of user-selected Tracks in the library - irregardless of navigating them or not, coloring of Tracks, support for Tracks with high point counts (>650), etc, etc.

    Yeah, I have a Roll Chart holder on my HP2 - along with my zumo660 or whatever comes next with a screen big enough for me to see in all conditions - because I enjoy off-highway/off-road Dual Sport rides that rely upon navigation skills. But, like you say, many are moving away from that to GPS Tracks - which I'm certainly OK with.

    I'd actually like to see electronic Roadbook capabilities associated with Tracks - something like the Tripy but in a fully functional GPS unit. CompeGPS/TwoNav have this capability with their e-Roadbook. Unfortunately they currently only offer it as a for fee product rather than enhancing the CompeGPS Land application so a user could develop their own. I'd like to see the GPX XML spec enhanced to cover a roadbook format.

    Enough of my ramblings. Think I'll go for a ride.
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    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    And some folks a GPS isn't worth having unless it has all the Bluetooth gadgetry built in: pairing with phone, listening to music.

    Not to mention a touch screen. Oh, and XM music and weather radar.

    While I agree the "perfect" GPS doesn't exist yet, it should not be that hard to make one. But the GPS manufacturers haven't decided to.


    FWIW, my "perfect" GPS is:

    - the screen and external battery of the 478 (or 276c)

    - the software, touch screen, and XM capabilities of the 2820

    - with of course the Bluetooth capabilities of the 2820, upgraded to latest standards
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    DangerMoney Loud Helmets Save Lives

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    I haven't seen anything that even close so I bought a 2nd 478 from an inmate five minutes after he posted it.
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    Gros Buck Beef = Packed Vegetables

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    ... With a higher resolution that is ... 800 x 480 ...

    By the way, I currently own a 378, NUVI 550, Montana 600. I had so many of them before I can't remeber now.

    Most important thing for a dual sport is track management ( idealy 50 tracks of 20000 points) since many roads on topo maps does no exists anymore. Routing is simply too unreliable.

    Second most important thing is screens size.

    Topo Maps reading on Zumo Style GPS is also totaly uggly.

    Paul Jr
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    I did some research and found that on the 3.6 update for the 640 you can now use topo maps in marine mode. Honestly that's a huge deal for those of us that want to use it on a bike. My dad gave me a 640 he was not using. I'm going to do the update and see how it works. As far as I know city Nav is still not on the marine version but I can live with that. If I need to nav around a city I will just boot it into Auto mode.
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    DockingPilot Hooked Up and Hard Over

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    Upload a custom made route from Mapsource. See if it recalculates it.
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    If you are doing it in marine mode it cant since there is no city map data in there I think. I will check it out this weekend and make a fun route.
  16. NorthernTraveler

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    If it's a direct route you don't need a map.

    If it's an auto-routing route, then yes, you need a routing compatable (read auto map) map.

    A direct route kinda works like a track - straight lines from fixed point to fixed point - just not as many points. Doesn't change when you change maps... or don't have a map.