Hey guys thanks for the replys. Yea, from the border to the first small running creek I came to was about 19 miles. I had to call it and turn back just because I wasn't 100% sure where I was going It sure gets pretty rugged back there! On another note about the Tabaguache.. the section running from Bangs Canyon parking lot going towards Hwy 141 is ridable but....the last 1/4 mile or less is private land with No bypass for motorized vehicles I think Cloud9 has dropped in somewhere else, but I'm not sure about that. I would love to know as well!!!