Great Western Trail

Discussion in 'GPS Tracks - West & PNW' started by Countdown, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Thanks. Appreciate it.
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  2. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Hi countdown,
    forget about the ideal time of year to do this trail. We have the first 3 weeks of July to do it. Obviously, the southern part is going to be hot as hell. Dry heat at least, but HOT. What about the rest? Plenty of elevations, so it might be ok? Thoughts on heat in July?

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  3. Countdown

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    Are you riding north or south?

    I think bad heat is all south of Globe.

    Early July might have snow in some high country.
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  4. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    north. Well ship bikes to Tucson. Thanks!
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  5. BigWally

    BigWally Been here awhile

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    Countdown,
    You suggested the southern AZ portion of the GWT to me in response to my earlier Advrider post seeking southern AZ routes & gps tracks. A friend and I just spent 8 days riding parts of the GWT, AZBDR, and other tracks on our DRZ400s. Thanks a lot for suggesting the GWT and for providing the tracks on gpsxchange! Your description of it being more dual-sport (small bike) oriented than the BDR (more ADV/bigger bike oriented) was a good description. Although the GWT and BDR routes overlap in places, we enjoyed the GWT more than the BDR where they diverged as it was typically more challenging. I look forward to riding some of the northern sections of the GWT in the future. Btw, I'm 61, recently began off-road dual-sport touring after decades of road touring, and hope I'm still riding these trails when I'm in my 70's like you are. Rock on.
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    Climbing Pioneer Pass southbound from the north, just south of Globe AZ. This section is part of both the GWT and BDR. A couple miles of deep snow from 5000-6200' elevation at the summit. Glad to see the deeply rutted truck tracks which made our scramble over the pass slippery but possible. Airing-down our tire pressures improved traction considerably in the deep slushy snow that covered the bottom of the deep ruts. And they say some folks think of motorcycling as a summer sport :rofl
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    Descending Pioneer Pass southbound towards Winkleman AZ. Steeply plunging eroded trails with loose footing were a blast. And of course it was much steeper than it looks in both pics.
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  6. Countdown

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    Big Wally,

    Thanks for riding it and posting report. Didn't think any one would ever do it. North of Globe, BDR is highway, GWT has back roads, jeep roads and Single Track hard way.
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  7. wbbnm

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    Just completed a ~2000 mile loop ride from Abq that included much of the Arizona GWT. We rode south to north. I will post the tracks in various places when I finish editing them. We loved the ride again.

    The stretch from Williams to Cameron is one of the best rides I have ever done. (I think I said the same thing last year when we rode that area.) We went down the steep rocky hill near the south end. It has gotten very bad. I am not sure I could have gotten up it on my loaded 690 and would have had trouble one a dirt bike. It is not big bike friendly.

    We tried to do the dirt road into Jerome. We ran into a sign saying the road was closed 6 miles ahead, so we took the bailout down to Cottonwood. I don't know if we had gotten thru, but sure didn't want to have to come back 6 miles on that narrow rocky twisty road.

    There is a pretty tough uphill ledge about 10 miles north of Perkinsville. We had one fall and one push-the-bike up it. I went to help the other two and had the advantage of walking it first and found a pretty good line and made it with just an engine kill at the very end.

    Thanks to Jerry for posting these tracks.
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  8. Countdown

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    I mention Bad rocks for this section and have Adv bypass.

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  9. Moto Vaquero

    Moto Vaquero Trail less traveled

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    wbbnm said:
    We tried to do the dirt road into Jerome. We ran into a sign saying the road was closed 6 miles ahead, so we took the bailout down to Cottonwood. I don't know if we had gotten thru, but sure didn't want to have to come back 6 miles on that narrow rocky twisty road.

    There is a pretty tough uphill ledge about 10 miles north of Perkinsville. We had one fall and one push-the-bike up it. I went to help the other two and had the advantage of walking it first and found a pretty good line and made it with just an engine kill at the very end.



    Was this "closed" road South of Jerome? I ask because I will be doing this in the first week of August solo on my 525 and I will be starting in Jerome headed North.
    Also how tough are we talking about regarding the "bad rocks 2" just north of Perkansville? I'm a pretty descent rider and on a dirt bike but I will be solo with some camp gear...
    I do have the adv bypass loaded just in case though.
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  10. Countdown

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    Yes the closed road is south of Jerome and there is an Adv bypass ( Paved Hwy into Jerome) because it is also a bity rocky. It is a very old pipeline with valve boxes every mile or so. I think the actual closure may be on private property in Jerome. I kind of remember just riding thru, no way I was going back.

    I did the bad rocks (waypoint in file) near the GWT Kiosk entering the forest a few years ago on my TE 610. They would be bad for a loaded 600, very bad for a loaded twin, easy for a good rider on a Dual Sport bike (<550).
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  11. Moto Vaquero

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    Thanks Jerry
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  12. wbbnm

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    The Bad Rocks 2 sounds like the ledge we encountered north of Perkinsville. We were on 2 690s and a Husky 630. All of us are above average riders, except me. The guy on the 630 crashed. We had to push the other 690 up. I was the pusher and had the advantage of walking the section and finding a pretty good line. I just killed my engine, (as usual) going over the final hump.

    There a couple of other long, unpleasant, rocky sections in thru there but caused no similar problems

    My annotated tracks with the ledge marked pretty accurately (I think) are here:

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/albuquerque-tombstone-grand-canyon-loop.1150793/

    As to Jerome, when we got to the "road cloased 6 miles ahead" sign we took a bypass down into Cottonwood. The first pitch was terrible but everything after than was a fun ride.
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  13. Moto Vaquero

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    Looks like I'll be starting in Williams because of some time constraints. I've got a week to get to Stanley, ID, over 1600 miles so not a lot of time to "smell the roses". I'm going to try to get to Sublime Point the first day, around 350 miles, so very early start from Williams for me and no doubt a little monkey butt.
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  14. Countdown

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    That is a bit optimistic. We use about 200 Mi per day for Mex2Can.com However that is using all motels and they are where they are. If you are camping you will ride a lot slower but can ride longer each day.
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