GS-LC - problems

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by atg, May 5, 2013.

  1. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Yes if buying a new iteration of an existing product.
    Like when I bought the last 100HP version just before the 105HP version.
    They were already in the third revision of their shaft system, without even saying so. They had dumped the servo-brakes again without making an announcement about that (IIRC). We were still version 1, but more like version 1.5.

    Then the 105HP (which was also a facelift model) could have some minor issues. The 110HP could have some different.

    The LC version is a different bike sharing the same name. I doubt there is a single bolt sharing the part number with the last model.

    Actually just checking realoem.com someone can see the different versions and when something evolved or changed completely.

    This is a new bike on the same concept of the last. Not an update.
  2. GSMarc

    GSMarc Long timer

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    I thought this was true even with new models... :deal

    I realize how much I've been naive until now... :lol3:lol3

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  3. GSMarc

    GSMarc Long timer

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    why do you think NLS didn't bought a new GS LC... :lol3:lol3
  4. JetSpeed

    JetSpeed Naviator

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    You trying to hurt my feeling?
  5. 3Putt

    3Putt Is that a gimmie?

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    Look, this is my 8th BMW in as many years. I am a three time Beta Tester and knew going in there might be problems. At least this issue comes with a warning.

    I've also owned other brands in the past 8 years, but keep coming back to BMW. I love the boxer, it has personality.
  6. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Ah the premium product talk.
    I am sure if you buy a Ferrari Down Under, they will have one more same like yours to replace anything that gets broken (and it will).
    Come on now.

    I never had to wait for months for a BMW part.
    Not that I have needed a part many times in my 12 years with BMW.
    Longest waiting time was 15 days.

    I wouldn't blame BMW Motorrad for how a regional partner handles parts.

    Then again some people just love blaming everybody for everything.
  7. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    I've had plenty of BMW's but the boxer is a wallflower compared to this.[​IMG]
  8. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Didn't have a GS it seems.

    NTX? Yeah right.
    :D
  9. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    Sold my 08 GSA last fall. It was one of my all time favorite bikes but the Stelvio really pushes all the right buttons for me in ways the GSA couldn't.
  10. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    Taste is definitely something personal.
    I definitely like the looks of NTX, but having tried it it didn't feel even on the same league. A bit like Super Tenere.
    For some reason the few comparison tests I've read seem to agree, but then again maybe BMW pays more.
  11. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    One thing I've learned over the years is not to put too much stock into what moto journalist say. They don't have to live with the auto or bike in question on a long term basis nor have they plunked down their own $ to purchase them nor have they done any farkling to personalize and correct any niggling faults.
  12. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    Says the guy who accepts it as "normal" for a newly designed bike to be plagued by problems and a shortage of parts. Meanwhile the just released Super Tenere, a brand new design from the ground up, is ridden 50,000 km three times the length of the Americas with a leaky fork seal being the only issue. I'm sure glad it's not in the same league as BMW. :deal :rofl

    As far as journos go, they blast around on the bikes for a bit before rendering their judgement based solely on performance with no thought given to more mundane but equally important real world factors such as upfront costs, reliability and long-term ownership costs. If it wasn't my own money being spent I would choose the GSW as well. :lol3
  13. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    Since its a hobby, I'd still chose the bike that gives me wood regardless of price. Hell, after putting 12,000 miles on the Stelvio I'd pay a premium over the GS if necessary to buy the guzzi.
  14. RichBMW

    RichBMW Long timer

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    My LC did that the other day! I had to pull over:rofl
  15. stevie88

    stevie88 That's gotta hurt

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    Pull what?:evil
  16. NLS

    NLS My bike needs washing...

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    So get a Super Tenere. OK bike.
  17. atwoodtja

    atwoodtja Been here awhile

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    The Tenere better be cheap and stone reliable, there is no other reason anyone would want to keep it. :D

    FWIW, even though I haven't needed any fixes or parts yet, the parts shortage stories piss me off. There is no reasonable excuse for any part taking more than 2 weeks. Even Ducati's everything-from-Italy supply chain is better than that IME.
  18. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    No disagreement there but when you start missing rides and trips because the bike is broken then Mr. Woody deflates fast. Would love to try a Stelvio. Unfortunately unavailable where I am for reasons known only to Piaggio Group Japan... :norton
  19. cug

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    But the thing is: that doesn't matter. First of all, it doesn't matter to 90% of the riders whether a bike has better reliability when you are North of 50k miles because they'll not reach that.

    Second is that the GS outsells the Super Tenere probably by an order of magnitude, if not more. Therefore, you'll hear about every little problem 10 times more x the multiplication factor of online forums. Sure the ST is very reliable, likely more so than the GS. But it doesn't matter as for most riders both bikes are equally reliable - they have no issues with them.

    And a lot of these people prefer something that is fun 100% of the time it works over something that works 100% of the time but gives only 50% of the fun - or less. I'm a total numbers guys, I love reliability, I hate things that don't work, but the Super Tenere moved me on a test ride about as much as a Toyota Camry. I'd get one in a heartbeat if reliable transportation was my goal. But that is not the goal.
  20. twinrider

    twinrider pass the catnip

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    The 50,000 km trip was cited only to show that a brand new model doesn't have to be unreliable if it's well engineered. I'll limit my comment on what moves you to saying that the S10 felt like a rocket ship in comparison to the Tiger 800 I test rode. :lol3