Gs v gsa

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by WADE-O, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    Thank you, Tuono and Train.... :D

    OP, if you are of the build, I'd get the GSA for sure, that is unless you really didn't have a need for the added bits or increased ride height. They both are fantastic motorcycles, both with their own selling points, but it really only matters what it is that you want out of one or which fits your actual riding needs/wants, best. I must say, it is refreshing to see owners caution you as to the GSA's added size and heft, they seem to be discounted more times than not around here.

    I say ride each and see which of the two sings to you.

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  2. TuonoBiker

    TuonoBiker Been here awhile

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    +2 on that. The suspension travel is what gives that boost in confidence for me. I have yet to upset the GSA to the point where I've been uncomfortable while pushing it due to rough roads. The Tuono used to hit some rough patches that would still overwhelm its suspension (which was dialed in for me and full Ohlins to boot).

    Your size and build might matter too...well, more your weight I guess. I'm 185 on my best Sunday morning and the stock ESA suspenders are great. For good sport riding, I like "1 rider w/ luggage"....that's when I'm running empty panniers or no panniers. I find the handling and ability to hold a line spot-on.

    The motor just sings, too. Such bliss running it up to 7-8k....just winding it out on the back roads and general hooligan behavior on this thing is great fun.
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  3. '05Train

    '05Train Mind is not for rent

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    Enough oomph to make the ride interesting, not enough to get into felony speeds.

    The Harley guys I ride with are all amazed at how much the rear wheel can jump around without moving the bike at all.
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  4. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    I would qualify my earlier comment regarding GSA handling by saying its the best handling bike on a broad variety of surfaces like you would find in Mexico. It is especially stable when you hit bumps in the middle of corners and it can handle poor road surfaces very well.
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  5. StuartV

    StuartV Motorcyclist

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    I only wanted to add one thing to what I posted earlier.

    If I were not getting ESA, I would very likely buy a Yamaha Super Tenere instead. In fact, that was my decision process when I bought my GS a couple of months ago.

    I love the ESA. It works and I use it pretty much every time I ride.

    Without ESA, TO ME, the GS/A does not bring nearly enough to the table to justify the higher price compared to a SuperT. The GS is a great bike, but the SuperT is also a great bike. And it has much longer service intervals and much cheaper parts. Aftermarket luggage is just as good for either. The SuperT just needs a better windscreen and good luggage and it's just as good to go as any GS/A (non-ESA). The stock GS windscreen is okay, but the stock GS/A seat is a much bigger travesty than the stock SuperT windscreen, so you can't really say either one is "good to go" out of the box.

    Anyway, all I'm saying is, if you're looking at a GS/A without ESA, you should at least have a look at the SuperT, too, before you plunk down your hard-earned.
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  6. Boondox

    Boondox Travels With Barley

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    I'd second this. Winter plays hell with our roads here in Vermont. Many times I've had sportbikes try to stay with me in the twisties, but when the pavement turns rough they back way off while I keep rockin'.

    Love the GS/GSA for the conditions I ride in!
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  7. Dirt Diver

    Dirt Diver Dirty Adventurer

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    GS vs GSA

    I'm pondering this question myself at the moment.

    I've owned an 07 GSA and now the F800 but am feeling myself lured towards a R1200GS (Triple Black).

    One thing I'm trying to find out is if the GS can have the BMW GSA panniers fitted. My dealer said it could but I don't ever recall seeing one.
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  8. oalvarez

    oalvarez Resident Raggamuffin

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    All that is required to fit the GSA panniers on a GS is the GSA luggage rack. That rack will not accommodate the GS panniers though.
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  9. taoman

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    My 2008 R1200GS with lowered WESA shocks (2 1/2 inches) is way more nimble and "flickable" than my brand new R1200GSA with factory ESA- by a lot! I'm not saying the GSA isn't great- it is. All I am saying is the same thing that some German magazine reported when testing the lowered WESA . They reported that the lowered bike handled more like a sport bike. "Intuitive" and "Easy" come to mind when describing the difference between the two bikes. I will definitely lower the GSA when the time comes but probably only 1.6 inches. And by the way, I LOVE the new GSA. I think it's the best bike made IMHO. It really is just incredible in so many different aspects. It's why I had to buy one before they stopped making them. :clap
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  10. Coma

    Coma Been here awhile

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    Sweet this is the answer I have have been looking for, thx!

    How about the GSA top case on a GS?


    The access from the Top and large enough for a helmet is a requirement for me. Plus I like the looks of the aluminum.
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  11. TuonoBiker

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    My medium Shoei Qwest fits in the BMW Adv. aluminum topcase...a bit snug and in diagonally, but it goes in with clearance on each side. I wouldn't ride with one in there as it would probably scuff the helmet up or something....but to lock it in there while away from the bike or something, its perfect.
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  12. Boxer-lust

    Boxer-lust Banned

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    Wade-O ,GSA all the way,especially if you are 6,4'...
    -bigger tank
    -better windprotection
    -more legroom
    -more ground-clearance which is good on/off road
    -better handling due to steeper steering angle
    -better/more comfortable stock seat
    -stock crashbars/valvecover protectors
    -stock mounting for aluminum cases
    -shorter first gear
    All that for a little harder push to park it in the garage...
    Best bike I ever owned !
    I would not get ESA but Ohlins TTX...much better !
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  13. CrownVic55

    CrownVic55 CrownVic55

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    I had the BMW GSA Rack andPanniers mounted on Caf'e Poser when I purchased it. So Yes, BMW dealers can do it or you could do it yourself. I am very glad I did.

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  14. JustKip

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    The GSA top box requires the GSA rear luggage rack, which is over $300 with all the little hardware bits. It's probably the most sought after used part for these bikes.
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  15. Conrad

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    The GS and GSA: essentially the same bike with differing missions. Each equipped, adjusted and tuned by its mother, BMW, to meet one's unique riding needs and objectives. That's the beauty of the differing missions. This thread could (happily) go on forever as each of us has our own unique sense of need and objective.

    By the way, I have the GSA boxes on my GS and love them. :rofl
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  16. Boxer-lust

    Boxer-lust Banned

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    The GSA is better in every way when it comes to comfort (seat,windprotection),tankrange,more ground clearance cornering and agilty due to a steeper steering angle.
    The GS is better for people with shorter legs and is easier to pick up once on the side...:lol3
    The aluminum boxes are nice for long overland trips where one might crash and has to repair on the road,but for everyday purposes I thing the BMW plastic ones are better.
    Bigger inside,more variable for people who lanesplit and the stuff inside doesn't get dirty due to oxidation...
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  17. lightfighter

    lightfighter where does this go?

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    yup.

    i have one just in case i ever find a GSA topbox laying on the side of the road.
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  18. Jedi5150

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    I pick up my new 2012 GS tomorrow, so I may be a bit biased. :evil I've owned two 1200GS's in the past. I totalled the first one, and like a moron, sold the second one in favore of something more shiny. Today at the dealership, there was a 2013 GSA and I wasn't even remotely tempted by it. I've never owned a GSA, but the GS is the perfect bike for me (I've found out the hard way, having owned 6 different BMW bikes). I greatly prefer the styling of the standard GS, and the weight and size are a perfect fit for me. To me, the GS is the ultimate sport-touring bike. I've ridden an RT, which was less comfortable than the GS for road riding. For long distance, I can already tell you, having never ridden the GSA, the GS would be more comfortable for me. Here's why...On R1200's, I use the Hepco and Becker engine guards. I use them to stretch my legs out on as a sort of poor man's highway pegs. With the GSA's increased girth over the cylinder heads, this would not be an option without installing real highway pegs, which I wouldn't like the angle of as much. And to me, the GS was more confidence inspiring and easier handling in the twisties than either of my brother's bikes (Honda CBR's in 600 and 1,000). So as I said, for me, the choice is a no-brainer to go with the GS. But the beauty is that we all have different tastes, and if a GSA floats your boat (it is a boat :evil:lol3), then I'm sure you'll love it.

    PS-forgot to add...the spoked wheels have never been a selling point for me, in fact the opposite. One of my standard GS's came with them, and all they did for me when riding on dirt was expode after a nasty bump (I was picking up spokes 50' down the road from where I crashed). The alloy wheels don't rust, and for the type of off-roading I do (fireroads), have held up just as well...actually better...never had an alloy wheel disintigrate on me.
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  19. Coma

    Coma Been here awhile

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    Thanks! :clap:beer
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