GS1200 can do everything! So it gives me a trouble!

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by ryan0708, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. ryan0708

    ryan0708 Adventurer

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    I was born in South Korea. Lived in USA and Canada. Served in US Army based in Korea.
    Went to Brazil 8 years ago as a staff of YWAM and met my wife.
    And that is how I moved to Brazil two years ago.
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  2. SR1

    SR1 Back in S. Korea

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    I understand not being into dirt.

    You are looking for a complimentary bike. I've tried a few. The only thing that really seems to compliment it properly is a dual sport with knobbies and an SM wheel set for twisties.
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  3. JustKip

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    Another vote for a scooter, as the GS does well in every other category.

    For the city, small, light, and twist-n-go is the only place the GS is "lacking"
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  4. Geografo

    Geografo Lost Armadillo in Heat

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    Ryan,

    What part of Brazil do you now live in? If in one of the larger cities (i.e., Sao Paulo, Rio, or Brasilia, or any of the other large coastal cities), I would get a scooter or one of the Honda 150s that everybody seems to ride down there. They should be cheap, especially if bought used. They are also more maneuverable in the traffic, and will take up less space while lane-splitting. If you live in one of the less populated regions on the Trans-Amazon highway system, you will probably want to go with the advice on a smaller dual-sport, since even commuting often involves long stretches of unpaved roads, or paved roads with car-sized potholes.

    How do I know? I just came back from Porto Velho in the north, and took a rental car over BR 364 to Cacoal, and saw plenty of both types of bikes, as well as plenty of unpaved and/or unfinished or poorly-maintained roads (the previous mayor of PV was indicted for stealing about $120 million from the city, which probably explains a lot of it--he was the last in a long line of similarly ethically challenged public figures in the region). Personally, I would want something with a high ground clearance and rugged for those roads. I am thinking of getting a Yamaha 250 dual sport or something similar for getting around next time, unless I move there for an extended period as we hope to do in the near future. In the latter case, I might try to import the GS, although it appears that that might be rather costly, due to the 60% import tax they impose down there. Btw, what did your GS cost, in Reais, if you don't mind my asking?
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    Welcome Ryan.

    Terry
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    Wow....sell the BMW X1 and pocket the profits and buy anything you want.

    Ciao
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  7. ryan0708

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    Thanks for your advice.
    I don't mind telling you the price. Be ready to be shocked.
    R1200GS triple black premium package is 80,000 reais which is about 38,000 us dollar.
    Now it has 5,000 reais discount, so it is about 36,000 us dollar.
    It is twice as expensive as the price of USA.

    And more sad thing is that people steal only cheap bikes. Those cheap scooters and 150 hondas are robbed all the time.
    They steal cheap Japanese bikes because they are easy to sell. They steal and break into parts and sell parts to the market.

    BMW, ducati and triumphs don't get robbed because of this.

    FYI, vespa gtv300 and triumph t100 are 30,000 reais which is about 14,000 us dollar.
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  8. Geografo

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    Yep, that is what I thought. My stepson, who works for the place we rented the car from, showed us a used R1200GS (don't remember what year) in Porto Velho that he said was for sale for around R$55,000-60,000, if I remember correctly. The high import taxes that they charge down there are unreal, and probably account for a large part of the mark up. I also believe you when you say that the cheaper small bikes are stolen more often, since they appear to be very popular. Every year we go down, PV's streets seem to have more of the smaller bikes on the road, mostly due to the high gas prices (R$2.95-2.98/liter for common gasoline as of last week), I am told.

    I have always thought that, if someone had the capital, they could try to convince BMW (or any of the other major motorcycle manufacturers) and the Brazilian government that setting up an assembly plant in Brazil would be in the best interests of both--Brazil and other Latin American governments instituted the high import taxes as part of an "import substitution" strategy to help kick-start local industries back in the 50s, 60s and 70s. I also think that, if they are not making a similar product in Brazil, they should lower the taxes on particular products.

    Does anybody know if any of the motorcycle manufacturers have assembly plants in Brazil? Fiat must, because their cars are much cheaper than other brands (R$25,000-41,000, or about $12,500-21,000 US), although I also understand that they are also of somewhat lower quality (our rental was a Fiat, and it had some issues, especially on those roads).
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  9. ryan0708

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    Haha guess what!
    Brazil already has assembly plants for most of motorcycle brands.
    Bmw, ducati, triumph, mv agusta, honda, suzuki, yamaha, harley davidson, sym and so on...
    Premium models such as bmw' 1200 and ducati's super bikes are still 100% imported but many of other bikes and even cars are ressembled here. But the price is still crazy.
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  10. fallingoff

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    you like duc's
    how much for a small monster
    ie 696
    lots of fun
    cheers
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  11. ryan0708

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    I like duc's but not current models.
    Used 696s are about 14-15000 us$.
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  12. qman8

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    Since the GS is "ugly" and sounds like a sewing machine, Go for a great looking machine that sounds awesome...Ducati's, or Aprilia Tuono V4..or my favorite, the Honda VFRs. Not much sounds better than a V4 VFR...the pre 2002 VFR with the gear driven cams are the ultimate. Probably larger than you would like, but a 11 year old used VFR should be relatively inexpensive.

    Of course, if money is no object, get the ultimate V4..the Desmosedici!:clap
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    Yes, I wondered about that. The prices on manufactured products are insane down there. They must still charge the import taxes on the parts, then? I would have thought that putting assembly plants in Brazil would have been a way around the high import taxes. However, I guess that is the main way that they get the funds to support the government down there, according to my wife and other Brazilians I have spoken with while down there. I know a lot of people who buy things abroad and then sneak them in the country to get around those high import taxes...

    Everything is high in Porto Velho, though, since there are no large cities nearby and everything except for tropical products has to be transported long distances to get there, kind of like Alaska or Hawaii. With construction of the large hydroelectric plants, prices even for locally produced products have skyrocketed over the past several years.
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  14. ryan0708

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    Haha. I don't think GSs are ugly. They just doesn't follow the trend and that is one of the biggest reason I like GS.
    Same goes to ducati monsters(not the current one.), vespas and bonnevilles.
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    +1 I thought they were weird-looking when I looked at them way before I bought them (I wanted a Buell Ulysses back then, since it had the same powerplant my Harley did), and thought I would never get one, due to the high entry price and those two big things sticking out on either side. Then I bought a low-mileage used one, put engine guards on it, and now it just looks bad ass and utilitarian, kind of like the old Land Rovers with the brush guards and other farkles back-country drivers put on them to keep them reasonably dent-free.

    As for sewing-machine sound. There is that, but I kind of like the quieter sound compared to the Harley, and there is a bit of a muted growl when you get on the gas. The newer ones with the exhaust cutout sound pretty cool when the rider guns it, at least in the video that was put out to promote the 2010 model.

    To each his own...I like the way the Triumph triples and Ducatis sound, too.
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  16. fallingoff

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    even my postman has one of those desmosedici
    he rides a postie bike for work
    i'm jealous
    no bs
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    Postman eh? How does a postman afford a $90,000 motorcycle???

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  18. prince_ruben

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    Having a big motor Monster and a 1200 GS makes for a good, well-rounded riding experience. I still like tracks but I love off roading. Have fun with the GS. I've taken both my Monster and GS to the track and they both fared well.
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  19. prince_ruben

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    My bud is a retire postal worker. Dude just bought a fully loaded Audi TTRS, spent over $30k modifying a Monster S4R, and equal $30k building a Speed Triple, has a Husky SM, a brand new Ducati MTS, a Sprinter van and a new Fiat.

    Go figure.
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  20. prince_ruben

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    You can always buy a 620 and stuff a 900 motor in it.
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