GSA W vs GS W Am I Missing Something

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Bikerboy108, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. Bikerboy108

    Bikerboy108 Pat from Jersey

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    Well Here's my story sad but true! Ready to buy a new 2014 GSW as soon as I sell my
    2005 1200 GS.. Then I took by buddy's Smitty 2014 GSA W for a ride and I looked at the purchase in a different lite.. Follow my thoughts and tell me what you think.. First this is what I want as a must have on either bike.. Heated Grips, cruise control, Tire Pressure Monitor ( too many times on my knees letting more air out then putting in), Wire wheels.. And acc. That I would most likely buy are Crash bars, Larger Windshield, Bags.. Now the GSA comes with the bigger windshield, crash bars and wire wheels and as a bonus a "big" gas tank.. I take that as costing $18,200 , 500 for comfort package, (grips, TPM, and wow chrome exhaust. and 350 for cruise Total $19,050.. The GS would cost standard pkg. $17,595 Comfort pkg. $560, cruise $350 and wire wheels 500 total 19,005 and I still need crash bars and a bigger windshield?? Another grand??? I am not going to Tierra del fuego but either one will get you there... AM I MISSING SOMETHING??? Sign me up for GSA
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  2. modestmuscle

    modestmuscle Been here awhile

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    GSA all the way :D
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  3. pistole

    pistole Long timer

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    yeah man. The 25000 odd people who bought the plain old GS must be dumb dumbs

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  4. Voz

    Voz Been here awhile

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    Apparently I am one of those dumb dumbs.

    I have owned my GSW since May 13, there was no GSA back then.

    Personally, for me the GSA was never in scope for me due to the possible increased seat height and I do not need a big tank. I was also concerned about the 1st gear being too low for my use. My prev bike had low gearing and was awful in the city.

    However, if I was buying today, based on the fact that they are not that high and I have not heard anyone complaining about low gearing then I would probably go the GSA provided it felt right.
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  5. AZriderTST

    AZriderTST TST1

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    I'm the dumb dumb. bought march 30 2013 have 20,080 mi as of today. Have had so many smiles for past year and I'm still smiling. Best bike I ever owned at 40 lbs less weight, better gas milage, quicker accel,better braking, easier handling, less expensive. Have had no problems. Last week they did a recall on throttle grip due to a resistor problem. this week replacing the front rubber seal on FD if you call that tbl. Yea I'm dumb but I'm happy.
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  6. marchyman

    marchyman Cam Killer

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    Yes. You are missing the fact that not all riders want what you want. I, for example:

    • Don't want a 9 gal tank
    • Don't want a bigger screen
    • Don't want the BMW crash bars
    • Don't want the BMW bags
    There's nothing wrong with those options, it's just that I don't want them. If you do then by all means buy the adventure model.

    When I buy a bike cost is number 2 or 3 on the list of things I care about. I might pay more for less if less is exactly what I'm looking for.
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  7. Raaze14

    Raaze14 Studly(?) Adventurer

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    I'm going with the GSA because I love the way it looks, and I would have added bars, extra lights, and I like having the extended mileage.

    I also appreciate the additonal wind/rain protection provided by the bigger windshield and fairings.

    But...I also like the GS - I just like the GSA more. :evil
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  8. herrdirektor

    herrdirektor Been here awhile

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    Have a GS LC since June 1st 2013. It is a blast to ride and the looks are just fine. (All GS/A are plain ugly, but that is what I like :D)
    There was no GSA LC back then, and I already had a GSA from 2008.
    When I saw the new GSA, I was overall pleased. Once they bring out a color combination I actually like, and a mark II will get to the market, I will surely consider to make the switch to the ADV. :D:D

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  9. IB1

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    I made the comparisan for myself. Fully equiped the price difference (Aufstattung) is 350€ here, both bikes without the cases, but with crash bars and aux lighting.
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  10. GSDonovan

    GSDonovan There and back again

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    Yes, I found the same thing...by the time I add everything I want, there's little difference in price between the GS and GSA...so I'd (will?) take the GSA which also offers better weather protection, much further fuel range, longer travel suspension, and better looks to boot. :evil:evil

    I could totally see, however, for many people the lighter weight GS and going with different after market accessories (rather than OEM) is a better choice for them particularly if they're going to be doing more off pavement stuff.

    For me, I went from a standard GS to an '08 GSA and loved it as is, bone stock. I never felt any need to change anything except maybe the seat which I never got around to changing in the end. On the GS, on the other hand, I had to change out the windshield to make it tolerable for long highway rides. The new WC GS, however, is supposed to be much better in this regard, so I've read anyway.
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  11. Smoke Eater 3

    Smoke Eater 3 Been here awhile

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    Yay for the plain old GSW!

    Less fuel = less weight up high. I can carry cans if I ever need them. I won't. I also get to chose the crash bars and farkles that I want, not what Hans and Franz decide for me. As far as the large wind screen goes, bigger is not necessarily better. The stock GS screen doesn't buffet at all and creates a splendid bubble of peace.

    Get what you want.
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  12. DMilan

    DMilan Been here awhile

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    YES , YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING.
    Apples and oranges...

    The GS, equipped as you describe would cost $17,510 not $19,005.
    Your error is that you choose to begin with the standard package, not the base model.
    Standard package gives you Dynamic ESA Suspension, Heated Grips, Cruise Control, Hand Protection and Saddle Bag Mounts.
    You didn't specify that you desired ESA and did not add it to the GSA option list.
    Then you added the comfort package which gives, among other things, Heated Grips and Hand Protectors again.
    Then you add Cruise Control again, as a separate option.

    I think your intention was to price the standard GS @ $16,100 + Comfort Package @ $560.00 + Cruise @ 350.00 + Wire Wheels @ 500.00 = $17,510.

    At $17,510 (GS) and $19,050 (GSA) you have your comparison.
    Note, neither bike has Saddle Bag Mounts at these prices/option combinations.

    I'm considering doing an a la carte purchase like you are. In my case the GS is !$18,200 and the GSA 20,450.
    Those prices include ESA on both, low suspension and saddle bag mounts on the GS and no wire wheels on the GS.

    For me, the lofty height of the GSA is probably going to tilt the balance (get it?) to the standard, or even a lowered GS.

    Too each his own
    Good luck with your decision.

    d'milan
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  13. Bikerboy108

    Bikerboy108 Pat from Jersey

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    OK everyone relax ... I started the thread and it was meant to start a dialogue.. I did not put in or in any way imply anyone was dumb buying a regular GSW... I was just surprised that you "seem" to get more for your buck with the adventure.. Thats all, so just lets stick to facts.And I still might buy the reg. GS I am just thinking it thru.. So as Joe friday would say "just the facts Mam"
    BMW bags don't come with either bike and are not in either price..FYI I like he Jesse Bags. I have them now with my 2005
    The weight of the bike (as stated in the brochure) is based on the tank being 90% full... With that said the diff. in weight is almost entirely made up with the weight of the extra gas and crash bars.
    Yes the tank is ugly to some..to others it provides great protection in weather and other situations.
    So again just a dialogue no name calling:clap
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  14. IB1

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    I did my calculation for fully equiped GS versus fully equiped GSA.

    On the GS I added the crashbars and aux lighting.

    For my GS (2013) that means I paid around 20500 Euro's including all the goods, cases and the discount. The stickerprice for a GSA (2014) with the same equipment and cases is around 21500 Euro's here. Dealer discount would make that around the 20850 € region. (some dealers throw in the panniers for free on a fully equiped GS(A).
    Over here you do get some discount, even if the model is just out. And they like to take care of the costumers (specially if they aren't 30 years old yet and buy a new bike every 2 years).
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  15. IB1

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    Admit it, the GSA looks even cooler (fatter). For my use I do think the tank should be a little bigger. To much fuelstops now. The problem is that often I can't drive to work and back if I have to do some local driving around. I usually do around 330 km with a tank and that could be better.

    But I do really like my GS. And next year I'll decide if the next one will be a GS or GSA, but the price will play no part.

    Aditionally: on the GSA I really like the blue, whereas on the GS there is no colour that just pops out as WAUW, hence I took the grey one. :rofl
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  16. Bikerboy108

    Bikerboy108 Pat from Jersey

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    OK I looked at price list and it was confusing so if you are right I stand corrected.. here is what I was looking at
    http://www.bmwmotorcycle.com/2014_bmw_r_1200_gs_information.htm

    http://www.bmwmotorcycle.com/2014_bmw_r1200gs_adventure_info.htm

    Can you even order a bike without the standard package?? I'll have to see
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  17. Otherworld

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    6.33kg = weight of 9L gas (90% of the additional 10L tank)
    ~6.8kg = weight of upper and lower bars (anyone know the precise weights -I recall the lowers to be ~3kg?)

    260kg = GSAW
    238kg = GSW

    Granted ~10kg is a small difference to pay for the extra sized tank, but "almost entirely" doesnt seem to hold up.
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  18. Carlo Muro

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    I just traded up yesterday to a non-Adventure GSW. I got everything I wanted except for the spokes (I'm on the lookout for a pair). I came from an oil cooled GSA ('07). I'll agree that with the price points being what they are, the GSA is attractive. On the other hand, I've been riding with several folks over the past couple years who mostly ride oil-cooled non Adventure GS's. We do some fire roads but for the most part nothing you couldn't drive a high clearance 2wd truck over. The Adventure did NOTHING except go farther on a tank of gas. In most cases the extra weight was a hindrance. Of course it didn't help either that I had the non-enduro transmission which was a giant PITA off the pavement. My understanding is that the WC GSA has the same gearing but a heavier flywheel than the standard GS. I guess that could make up the difference.

    I will say this though, my new GS just RIPs. I'll venture to say it's as fast as my modded FZ1. I've heard that some of that is due to the mag wheels being significantly lighter than the spokes...some $hit about rotating mass and all...:lol3
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  19. SidewinderX

    SidewinderX Hey, watch this!

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    Absolutely! :clap
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  20. Hikertrash

    Hikertrash Long timer

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    Who cares. Get what you like. The GSA is the top of the food chain, a real mans' bike for real men. Do I have a GSA? Yes. Do I have a small penis? Yes, but so does the most interesting man in the world, and I heard he just bought a new GSAW :clap

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    For mostly pavement touring, it's much better than the standard GS. that fat gas tank and tall windscreen allow you to light your cigar at highway speeds and stay almost completely dry during a downpour. I like not having to stop every hour to get gas when I'm touring and was always content with the OEM crashbars. I did add the Advdesigns cylinder head crash bars, but the new GSAW has addressed that issue and have the adequate cylinder protection now. If you don't buy the GSAW, you'll always wonder what life would've been like with one.
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