GX470 - somebody talk me outta this idea

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  1. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    so this is partly a marital issue: she hates the passenger seat of my 07 4runner [can't blame her] and I hate riding in her mazda, no matter what seat. It kills my aching back and vice-versa. The T4R as some of you will know is not known to be a pleasant ride on anything other than glassy-smooth roads. I had a Camry that road better on rough roads... for that matter most every vehicle I ever had did also. So I've been trying to find a 3rd vehicle mainly to go places in: from 50 miles to 500 miles or more trips, where we don't get sore and angry from driving or riding, and that is QUIET enough to carry on a conversation without shouting. When you add 'bulletproof reliability' to those fundamental needs, the field narrows greatly.

    I may end up with a sedan like an LS460, but b4 I bought the T4R I drove GX470 twice - two different years, different miles. Both times I was impressed with the quiet, but to be honest I didn't abuse them on super rough roads. I though the suspension was a bit to prone to sway - felt top-heavy, but otherwise compliant. Both had the airbags in good enough shape to hold air for awhile. I realize the Air suspension is weak, and will cause replacement... I know a local guy who was a Lexus service manager for 15 years and says they are fundamentally flawed. bad idea.
    but it IS a known issue and can be dealt with either by replacing the airbags every 60K or so, or converting to a different rear suspension altogether, but it seems from reading up, that like the 4runner ... "be careful what you wish for". Uncertain outcome, and the aftermarket is geared for overland buildups or wheelers, not for comfortable rides.

    What say ye? I know good and well we have some GX pilots around here, and T4R guys, FJ cruiserites, and Tacoma/Tundra builders
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  2. JeepDawg

    JeepDawg Long timer

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    what about a Sequoia? have a family member with one and it's a pretty nice vehicle.
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  3. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    yep, the Sequoia, particularly the older ones, can be quiet and capable, but bottom line is I think she would not like driving them due to sheer bulk. Don't think the Sequoia would offer any incremental benefit vs. the lighter, more handleable GX.
    I rule out the GX460 because the dogs don't like the dog food. They get trashed by owners who had previous lexus's...
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  4. ViperJustin

    ViperJustin Retired HH60G Gunner

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    Aussies love their Land Cruiser Prado 120s and 150s (GX470 and GX460). If anything, get a set of stock springs from the land down under and new hangars and stuff from the aftermarket. Or just get an OME medium lift (2”) and call it a day. Other than that, the 90k mike timing chains are a bit costly on the 470s (1500ish). That’s why you can find quite a few 470s with around 80-110k miles. People didn’t want to spend the 1500 for the maintenance, so they sell them.

    You can’t go wrong either way, LS460 or the GXs.
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  5. swimmer

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    If you get one, please don't name it Lexy.
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  6. Racerrrx

    Racerrrx Been here awhile

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    Very little difference between that era V8 4R and the GX (I owned an 08 4R and drove a bunch of 4R's and GX's). +1 on the Sequoia, they drive much nicer, much more like a (big) luxury car. If the wife doesn't like them, the LS430/460 is a great option too. My woman has an '06 430 and I'm always shopping them- the 460's are incredibly cheap right now, plenty in the $10-15K range
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  7. sailah

    sailah Lampin' it

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    I just sold my GX470. My wife wanted a new car but I loved that rig. Zero issues. Ours had the air suspension never had an issue but I hear you about making you nervous. I'm sure it's not a cheap repair.

    The Sequoia is a really nice rig but a lot bigger than the GX.
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  8. FLYING EYEBALL

    FLYING EYEBALL out of step

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    check out GXOR- GX Off Road on the Facebooks

    Lot's of good info there

    You might try an LX-470 as well

    I've got an 80 series and a 5th gen.

    Hard to go wrong with a Toyota
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  9. sloMark

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    Wife was looking for a replacement for her 2006 v8 limited 4runner. Ended up with a 2014 Sequoia. Great vehicle for us so far. .... 50k miles.

    May try a Lexus next time, the Sequoia is big. But she’s happy so I’m allowed to be.....


    We loved that 4runner, miss it.
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  10. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    We have had our GX460 for a year. Its really nice, but still a 4 runner with a V-8 and slightly more room. The 4.7 is a nicer driving engine, makes its power at lower RPM, that makes for a better driving experience. the rear end of them doesn't have enough suspension travel. so it hits the bump stops A LOT. Carries a load very well, like a pickup should. after all that is what it started out as. Yes it rolls a bit etc. Its not a sports car, or sports sedan. Do you need a pickup? Do you tow a lot. do you carry a load a lot. If not, maybe its not for you. It's a truck in a tux, not a sports car or luxury sedan. Throttle response on the 460 is absolutely horrible. And the electronics that control the automatic tranny is poor as well. So nice car, will do lots of rugged work, if your not doing that work, maybe something different would suit you better. If you have bought into the Toyota hype, how about a Highlander? better gas mileage, better ride etc. But its not a truck. Still pretty reliable, and capable. More "minivan" based SUV's might suit your mission better.
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  11. Butters

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    I have a 2005 GX. I don't hate it, but I don't like it. Honestly, I think I would have preferred a 2005 4Runner (Although what I really wanted was a 100 series).

    On the plus side - it is very quiet and it is a nice road trip vehicle. The engine, particularly the 2005+, has loads of power. Mine has 165K and as far as I know it is still using the original airbags. If/when they fail, I will convert to a traditional suspension. It also has the typical pluses of being a Toyota. They are also very affordable right now.

    On the down side -
    Although it is a nice road trip vehicle, there is nothing special about the suspension and it has more failure points than traditional. It is comfortable cruising, but as you saw, it wallows a bit. I don't find it particularly adept at rough roads. Really, the only time it shines is down a straight highway.
    The rear swing out door is a terrible idea. It may not seem like a big deal, but it is a daily annoyance. The 4Runner's hatch is 1000x better.
    It doesn't seem to use its space efficiently. And there is relatively little storage compared to other vehicles.
    The sound system is OK but difficult to add aux equipment to. If the amp fails, it costs a lot to repair or replace and the system won't work without it. If the radio itself fails, like most Toyotas of that generation with built in HVAC, you will need to replace the whole unit.

    I bought mine when I grew tired of finding a clean 100 series LandCruiser. I am forever kicking myself for settling on the GX. I am constantly on the lookout to replace it with a 100 series or a Sequoia. As several others have noted, don't overlook the Sequoia. It isn't much bigger, but holds way more cargo. Personally, I thought the Sequoias drove every bit as nice, if not better, than the GX. I like the 2008+ Highlanders as well if you don't need as much offroad ability.

    My thought is the only reason to get a GX is if you want to modify it (suspension) to offroad it and find the 100 series and Sequoia too big. Because they are getting cheap, they are becoming popular trail rigs. But short of that, I think the LC100 and Sequoias are better vehicles. If you were closer to VA, I might even offer to trade you for your 4R!

    A lot of people love their GXs. I am not one of them.
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  12. manstache

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    If you are both going to keep the vehicles you have now and you want a third vehicle, spring for an Avalon. Comfy, quiet, smooth.
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  13. JDUBinCO

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    I don’t understand why the v8 4R regularly gets 19-20mpg and gx470 owners report 14 or 15 mpg. Same engine, similar weight, same size vehicle. Why so different.

    And my .02 is a rx350. Nice little cars.
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  14. brokerob1

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    I’ll throw a vote in here for the 100 series... our 2000 lx470 has been all over the US, towing trailers up mountain passes, 4 wheeling, hauling motorcycles,etc. It’s been rock solid, just clicked over 217k miles and I’d drive it anywhere tomorrow. I can drive that truck for 20 hrs straight and not have any fatigue!
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  15. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    This is just excellent input - exactly what I need.
    Yes, to several of you - all of you - the GX has issues, the swinging tailgate Everyone seems to despise [and the window doesn't retract to save it]. I appreciate the input on road manners, as it is difficult to get one for an extended test on rough roads I know all too well. You guys are bending me toward the LX or Sequoia [I can always try on the wife and see if she barfs at parking it]. I too have looked at the Cruiser listings, which are sparse here, and tried to get a feel for the market but I don't have it yet. Few go up for sale and the prices are as they are everywhere. LX's are less numerous than GX but out there and some not too expensive - in fact, among 4runners [particularly 4th gen], LX, GX, Sequoia there is no price diff that I can tell in like/like condition and equipment. I really respect my 4runner but the wind noise [doors totally lacking any insulation] and bobblehead ride are killers, along with the seats.

    Once I a "blue moon" I do need a truck but have lived without one now for years. My 07 has never had a hitch on it in lifetime. I could rent one if needed, probably for motorcycle reasons.

    Yes the LS's are "cheap" and Lexus is on the ropes, and the word is spreading. They've totally lost their identity as best I can tell and sales are down sharply. As leases lapse, people are dumping them for other things

    Sequoia question: I read a lot and Tundra owners are hating on their trucks for various reasons including poor reliability of late. The 06 last year of the old truck was pretty solid. the 07's are notorious. Somewhere around 09 if I recall right they were great, but later they redesigned and cheaped-out the interior, losing a lot of storage conveniences etc, lower grade materials and so forth. WHAT about the Sequoia? Suffer similar fate?

    Weights are significantly diff - I jotted these notes down earlier:
    LX470
    Gross Weight 6860 lbs.
    CURB WEIGHT 5590 lbs.

    2006 Sequoia
    Gross Weight: 6600
    Curb Weight: 5090 [5125]

    2010 Tundra
    CURB WEIGHT: 4950 - 5650

    GX 470
    GROSS WEIGHT 6200 lbs.
    CURB WEIGHT 4871 lbs

    2006 Tundra 4dr
    Gross Weight: 6600 lbs.
    Curb Weight: 4765 lbs.

    2006 4Runner V8
    V6
    GROSS WEIGHT 5330 lbs.
    CURB WEIGHT 4045 lbs. [wiki lumps the entire generation and curb wt = 4280]
    estimate v8:
    GROSS WEIGHT 5430 lbs.
    CURB WEIGHT 4145 lbs.
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    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    Re: Avalon - 2004 was the magic year from all I have gleaned. I just missed one [would have bought for a extra] that was pristine. got beat to the table due to long drive. The 2012 was the last good year, but not as quiet and stable as the 02-04's - the 12 I drove had all the road noise of a 5th gen Camry SE that I drove "in the ground". Too much for this purpose. Best I can tell, after '12 nobody is happy. Toyota has nothing left in the main line that I have the slightest interest in, including the 4runners. Choked the motor, gas MPG is worse, metal so thin it literally "waves" in the wind. Razor thin windshield.... on and on. Tahoe way better
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    I don't find the rear door to be that bad. different yes, I would say not a nice as a lift gate/tail gate. G-Wagon also has a rear door. It's just different. The gX won't get the same gas mileage as a 4 runner. It's almost 1000 lbs heavier and lots more powerful, but pretty close to my Niece's TRD pro 4 runner. Not enough to make an accountant notice. Maybe a mile diff at best. And the GX's extra power, performance, and ride,noise level and all the rest more than make up for a mile to the gallon difference. If money were not an object, and the wife didn't mind the bigger car, I would not have hesitated on buying the full size Land Cruiser/LX. but she didn't want the bigger car, and its her grocery getter much of the time. Adults can ride in the back seat of the GX all day, with comfort. You can load it down with gear, and its still stable and as well mannered as when its empty. You can't say that about too many cars. The Traction control should be permanently deactivated, its totally worthless. The third row seating is better than most. I have ridden back there, wanted to try it out. No I would not want to be there all day. but an hour or two is doable for an adult. But again, if you don't want a truck in a tuxedo, then don't buy the GX.
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  18. octavious

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    We just had a similar issue. I had a 100 Series Land Cruiser, which was my first after coming out of Jeep-dom. Ours had high mileage when I got it, we ended up putting a ton more miles on it, and then things started going bad. Watch the brake booster pump on that series, it is $$$$ to fix. I know from experience, and then after that it was little thing, after little thing, after little thing. It got annoying. In hindsight it was a 19 year old vehicle with 246k miles, that we beat the wheels off of, and was still chugging away when we got rid of it. Even with all that I became a Toyota fan for its durability.

    We looked at every vehicle mentioned here and some others. I had forgotten all about the "baby land cruiser" and we were just about to plunk down some coin on a 4Runner when a buddy mentioned the GX460. We looked at some, drove them, and in January ended up with a 2011 with 65k miles. (I personally don't like the hour glass grill on the new ones). Our GX460 is stupid nice! Comfort for days but not having all the nancy warning systems on the newer ones. And for a big SUV it is extremely quiet. We can have conversations with people in all 3 rows without having to shout at one another. Cargo room is great, no sloped rear window means more space, and the rear seats can slide forward on sliders to allow for extra room. Back seat has a good amount of rear leg room, and my kids like the 3rd row. Another thing I do like about the 3rd row is that it folds completely flat and out of the way which is awesome. Size wise it fits our family 4 and 1 65lb lab great.

    Additionally, I wanted something with a low range 4wd and we do need to tow from time to time, but thing yard trailers, camping stuff, canoes, etc. I'm not towing an RV or anything large at this time. While I tested the 4low before we bought it we have not had to use it yet. But I have towed with the GX multiple different times and it has handled it all with ease.

    The barn door, as some have stated it is a love or hate item. I've had swing doors on Jeep TJs and tailgates on trucks and that 100 series. I'm all for a tailgate, but I will say this the swing door allows easier access to the cargo area for my wife, and for my kids. Reaching over a open or closed tailgate can be a pain for short folks.
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  19. sloMark

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    As for the OP’s wife parking a Sequoia.....

    I’ve bumped into waaay more stuff in my 2011 Tundra than my wife has in her ‘14 Sequoia. I’m always loading lawnmowers, I have a trailer, log splitter, MTB bikes, my Ural, myDR, etc...... actually looking forward to the day my Tundra is worn out. Probly get a Tacoma (I’ve had 3) again. Just hope I don’t miss the power/size of the Tundra. And my kids are out of car seats now so i don’t need the interior room those took up. I think we’ll always have at least one v8 Toyota/Lexus product. Love them. The Sequoia will be going on vacation this summer. Pittsburgh to Destin, Florida. Me, Wife, and two kids and all their stuff. Room won’t be an issue. Hoping to hit Wheels Thru Time on the way.
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  20. High Country Herb

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    If you liked the Camry, how about a Crown Vic? These things ride like a cloud, and everyone pulls into the slow lane to let you by.

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