GX470 - somebody talk me outta this idea

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  1. ydarg

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    The P71 has gone the way of the dodo around here. No one pays attention to them anymore. There are some pool cars left but everyone has phased them out in favor of Chargers or 9C1 cars.
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  2. High Country Herb

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    All the used Cadillacs are also selling cheap, and ride real smooth.
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  3. rd400racer

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    I had a Crown Vic as a company car and it was awesome...until the airbag suspension went out and the company deemed it unfixable. That said, I've been driving trucks and utes for so long that I'm sick of them. I started looking at LS460's myself. You can get nice used ones that don't have a ton of miles in the $15K range. I think I'm ready for a little luxury.
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  4. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    On a smaller scale, I always thought a fox body Mustang would be a great travel car for 2 people. My buddy had one with leather seats complete with power lumbar support and a 5-speed manual. One of the most comfortable cars I've ridden in.

    Did the OP say something about having dogs, or was that just a figure of speech? The Mustang does have a back seat, but great danes are probably not going to fit.

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  5. MudWalker

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    Don't know how this got to Avalon's but I had an 02 and an 04.........boring maybe but a car to own for long a time with little maintenance cost. Very comfortable, quiet running car and efficient for it's size. My second had a bench seat up front so it held 6.
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  6. MudWalker

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    Look at the 09-12 Hyundai Genesis V8, rear drive, luxury/sport sedan. Had my 2010 now for 3 years.....purchased used from dealer for $15K with only 60K miles. Love everything about the car except the adaptive cruise. It cost less than the Lexus but I'll admit, I do like the LS series.
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  7. Desmofan

    Desmofan Been here awhile

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    I recently bought an '09 GX470, and love it! This was a $50K truck 8 years ago, now high teens, usually driven by soccer moms to the mall. Go here for all things GX470: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gx-1st-gen-2004-2009-218/

    I had a 2004 Jeep WJ V8 Laredo, that was a beast off-road (for it's stock 1" lift), but it was falling apart at 140K. I got sick of fixing it, so was musing over a 4Runner when a bud (ex Toyota mechanic) suggested the GX as a 4Runner with the Toyota bulletproof 4.7 V8, and Lexus quality. I'd never heard of them, but glad I did. It's comfy, quick, silent, and capable of serious off-road (a requirement). Locking hi-lo torsen transfer case, A-Trac, rear lift, descent control, yadda yadda. You can't break the drivetrain.

    Another bud of mine recently ran his GX on the Diablo Dropoff /Split mountain/Fish creek run in the San Diego desert, running boards and all (they come off easily), bone stock.

    As for airbags, you can get aftermarket units on Amazon for$380, or cheaper, for fuck sakes! Plenty of owners running around on original bags well into the 200K range. And yes you can retrofit all manner of coils/Bilstein setups, but I like the stock adjust-o-matic suspension (pretty flat on "sport"). The stock "ESA" shocks are very $ though.

    These trucks will give you 100's of thousands of miles if maintained, that's why I grabbed one. Oh, and the dogs dig it.
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  8. DirtMerchant

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    I'm the original owner of an '05 LX470 100 series with about 140,000 miles on it. About all it has needed has been tires, brakes, oil, scheduled maintenance, a few batteries and a lot of gas. The GX, 4R and Sequoia are all three nice but they aren't in the same class as the Hundy. Head over to IH8Mud.com for the good, the bad and the ugly on all four of those vehicles.
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  9. CAFFO

    CAFFO Been here awhile

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    My 09 Highlander limited has been superb. 125k with no problems so far. Tires are a little expensive as they are 19s and kinda odd sized. will average anywhere from 11 to 23mpg. depending on where and how you drive. I know this is a massive range but its true. Local hacking gets 11-15. highway gets 15 -23 depending on distance and speed driven. Very functional in every aspect except the navigation which sucks. Its about the dumbest tech I have ever tried to use. And I'm no tech guy.. and one more plus.. its super in snow. Gets oil changes at Toyota when the light comes on. Belts in local shop using oem. Brakes by me as needed. BORING!!!
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  10. Crocodile Tears

    Crocodile Tears Alcoholic Synonymous

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    LX470 / 100 Series Land Cruiser can only be defined as Peak Toyota. The definition of the stereotype - brutally reliable and tough. There are a lot of resources out there for the small issues that can crop up. Drive trains will pretty much never let you down. Sucks a lot of gas, but they’re pretty economical compared to an 80 Series (ask me how I know :bluduh)

    GX470 I believe is the preference to the 460 for the long lived rep, and will be cheaper, but the 460 should be more economical and nicer equipped. I *think* the GX has chain drive transfer cases compared to planetary gear in an LX. Your true ‘Land Cruiser’ will have slightly heavier duty equipment, thicker glass and metal, stainless exhaust, etc. The GX series may skimp a bit in comparison, but will still be a hell of a vehicle.

    If I had to buy a vehicle tomorrow, I would go find the nicest 100-150k mile 100 series I could find. I love my 80 series, and the character of 90s Toyota is only trumped by 80s Toyota. Something about the thin pillars and tons of glass, and simple controls with solid axles gives a pretty engaging, if not busy, driving experience. However, the 1FZ-FE is fairly gutless and hard on fuel, and the ride is noisy and bounces you around. I don’t really rock crawl, so I give up most of the advantage of the solid axles. The 2UZ in any 470, especially the 275hp VVTI is much more pleasant to live with every day, and the 5speed automatic is rock solid and makes a smooth driving combination. No lockers in the later 100 series is a bit of a letdown, as I used to get a lot of use from the rear lock in my old Tacoma. My 80 is an unlocked model, unfortunately.
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  11. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    Desmofan those 09's are hard to find; I guess 'cause the owners don't want to let them go?
    the knocks against GX460 are daunting to me - like I said I read OCD and always looking for what real owners who have tried to live with vehicles have to say, and those who have had GX470 and/or 4runners are disappointed with the GX460. Lexus is not doing their homework and seems to have lost their way in my opinion. Look at what they are spending ad dollars on. The "horse that 'brung em'" is not the horse they are interested in feeding.
    LX470's are stinking scarce here. I've searched and all I find are expensive beat-down high mileage ones.

    and back to my original: what I'm interested in is Comfort for the wife and for me, in either seat, running backroads with maybe, maybe an occasional jeep road in the mountains. Comfort. Quiet [the deader the better]. Honestly the quietest thing I've driven was a fairly plain F150... I think a '13 model. Ford scares me though. The second quietest was that 2011 lx460 sedan but I am a little wary of Lexus sedan front end suspension components. They somehow magically managed to completely overhaul their sedans from the early 2000's to present and STILL managed to have chronic lower control arm fails, bushing failures, alignment issues, etc etc. I read several Carfax reports over the past couple weeks and its interesting to see the Service notes. "Driveability" check. Tire rotation. Alignment. Wash/rinse/repeat in short intervals. That's the way it goes - the unlucky owner "chases" the front end vibe issue through tires, bushings, Rack [yikes], control arms [frequently the issue], and sometimes driveshaft for the rear drive models, and end up trading/dumping.
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  12. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    this is only vaguely tangential to the subject but I watch Financial news fairly closely and for the past couple of years, keen eyes have been on the pending "Carmageddon" that could be seen in the numbers. "sub-prime" fever that broke [intentionally] the markets in 08 moved elsewhere, and one place was Auto, which hasn't been watched closely by regulators. You know the story - Leasing-fever took over and millions of 30'somethings decided to move aggressively from paid-off economical cars to trucks, SUV's, then luxury SUV's etc... everybody on the block decided they needed fully loaded Escalades, despite having zero coin in the savings account. The rate of toxic loans and underwater trades has risen parabolically in the last year, which is what happens in late-cycle mania. it looks like the "pin" may have been put in finally. What this means is that at wholesale, where upside-down note cars go, the prices have been artificially high due to the massive headroom in new-vehicle pricing [priced for innovative leasing]. That will end soon if not already. If any of you has a broker license or a friend that can buy at auction, the prices should be falling like a rock, or rocket, soon https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...t-burst-buyers-are-suddenly-missing-showrooms
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  13. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    Interesting, thx for the article. I think that could/should be in its own thread. How will that effect the overall, over heated economy? Discuss?
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  14. Zapp22

    Zapp22 ZAPP - Tejas

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    Couple of loose ends before I hit oldmanb's note:
    * The Panther/Vic/TownCar - I wish I could fit in them but can't. Have you noticed, particularly with the LTC that the drivers are mostly smallish women? [not a sexist comment btw...]. The Dash sits low under the steering column and hits the knees, which means I have to push way back to drive the thing. Instant dislike.
    * Hummers... I went reading on those awhile back but never saw where anyone recommended for my stated purpose which is smooth, stable QUIET ride with fully adjustable passenger and driver seats with great comfort. Not mudding. If I am wrong, I apologize and need some specific guidance
    * The LX's in these parts look, searchwise, pretty much like clean Land Cruisers - very, very, very rare. I don't think the sales numbers were big for the 470's, and the lowest miles I've seen on one within reasonable driving distance is near 200K. In the past Ive seen a buyable one here and there but not these days. [man do I need to get a brokers' license and go to auction... which brings me to oldmanb]. GX's come around every month or so that are accessible

    To the financial mkt end of things - I strongly suspect that if the overall market tanks [it will, May-June] nobody will suggest tighter credit on autos, which will signal the Leasing innovators to come up with truly insane terms on new AND used vehicles - like 10 year leases at 300 per month or something for 'gently used' Escalades to people who can breathe - no job needed, no ID needed, just breathe and make a mark. But maybe the underlying institutions will barf and try packaging all the toxic paper once again just like 2008, crying for the Fed to bail them out by buying those disaster tranches? the part I don't get is the wholesale end: how do they keep the steep price declines from being recognized by the broader market and consumers? It is a buyer's field day at the wholesale auctions. I've been watching ebay motors etc and it seems people are smart enough to cherry-pick carefully their buys. If a late model Lexus is approaching even 100K miles, people will not bid up on them 'cause they know a better one is there in the pile somewhere, as example.

    There are those who think the Auto-Loan bubble is powerful enough to bring down the cards. I'm looking for data that actually models how that works. Usually the way such things go is just move the easy-credit industry somewhere else but what is left that piles on debt like housing and cars? Student loans is already a ticking bomb and politicians want to let that air out gently. Maybe when I get a few minutes I'll gather all the best links to the Carmageddon story and post new thread
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  15. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    All those debts are definitely time bombs. No question. When will it explode, who knows. The "Experts" have been saying it was right around the corner, for most of my life. Guess that's why I have been pretty conservative, financially. Living within my means and paying myself first has served me well. Back to the GX. What you don't like about the 4 runner, I would think you would also not like about the GX.
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  16. gratefulJED

    gratefulJED long strange tripper

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    I'll just add these observations. My 13 FJ is very uncomfortable on trips. Cheapest seats Toyota makes. They did however make it the premier 4wd in their line. It is a 2 person rig - don't let the rear seats fool you. Lots of blind spots because of the wide rear pillars. Better camp on top of it, inside is short and not level. Swinging rear door sucks balls. Love the engine, MT, flat big assed dash and size. 17-20 mpg

    Our 14 LC is a behemoth, but that helps to surround the plush leather seats, prolly the best seats Toyota makes. Super comfortable. Nice throwback fridge between them. Lots of room in the rear, but the folding second row seats are just bizarre when folded. Third row seats will not come out on this generation, which I may have to rectify. Love the tailgate and lifting rear window. Great rig for just about everything.

    The 07 and 00 LCs are just bombproof. 350k and 240k, no issues really. Did break the cast ignition key metal in the 00, For some reason I like the 00 better than the 07. Still, great rigs,both very comfortable don't act or sound like high mileage vehicles. I put the OME 2" on the 00 but did not put the engine lowering kit in. Don't make that mistake. They are kid vehicles now and are perfect for that.

    I for one have always preferred the Toyota koolaid. All of these pass your bulletproof reliability test, the quite test, the distance test. Be kinda cool if they made motorcycles
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  18. Racerrrx

    Racerrrx Been here awhile

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    Mine sure didn't... had to really baby it to get 18, mostly got 15-16
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  19. mslim

    mslim If it's worth doing... it's worth overdoing

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    I've got an '04 v8 4R 2WD with 129K on it. FWIW I get about 14 in city only driving and about 19-20 on flat interstate. When I bought my 4R new, I was quite impressed with the V8 and how the tranny matched the engine so well. I'm an American V8 kind of guy and I think my car has plenty of ass. Seems on a par with a police spec 4.6 Crown Vic. All this in a reasonable sized vehicle (I carried a lot of camping gear, video gear, and musical gear in mine with seat down) that can tow 7200#. No major problems just required prudent maintenance. I recently did a front brake job (calipers were OK) and was impressed with how beefy the rotors were. Same part as serviced for the Land Cruisers. My professional driveline mechanic swears by OE brake pads for Japanese cars so I went with all OE parts since they have served me well so far. Curious about Akebono though.
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  20. lkosh

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    I drive a 2004 V8 4Runner with 203K miles on her now. I don't know if the GX uses the same calipers as the 4Runner or not, but the 4Runner's (and a lot of Toyota trucks) had a problem with the calipers seizing. Pistons seize in the caliper and if you don't catch it right away, it's a good way to toast a set of rotors. Don't ask how I know...

    The V8 in the 4Runner is the 4.7L, I think the same as the older model GX but the newer one got the 4.6L (?). The timing chain in the 4.7L is a roughly 90K mile maintenance item (I waited until ~105K before doing it and I know people have gone a bit further) and they recommend replacing the water pump while you already have the front half of the engine apart. If you don't do it yourself, it can be a fairly big service cost.

    Other than that, I don't really have many complaints on it. Tows fairly well. Doesn't get good gas mileage, but it's a 2+ ton SUV with a Toyota V8 in it. They might be known for reliability, but good mileage was never a design concern it seems haha. But, the V8's seem to be quite the under-stressed motor. I know there's a guy out there who drives a 2003 4Runner with well over 600K miles on it.
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