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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Vulfy, May 6, 2012.

  1. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    The whole turning in on the front brake shenanigans is what makes my rear pucker, I do it, tentatively. That's how I nearly dropped the dearly beloved DT, huge handful out of the turn & then hard on the front brake... but the front was, er, light, so when the weight came on it dropped like a sack of tatties as I turned the bars. Very, very effective. Very hard for me to get confident with. This is where the tumbles start me thinks.
    If the Aliens can turn hard on the front brake then surely we can, no?:rofl

    I'm all inspired again Vulfy, cheers!

    That bloke keeps the front brake on ALL the way through the turn...... Yeah, right, sure. OK.
  2. Vulfy

    Vulfy Been here awhile

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    I think the key here, is to keep the revs up somewhat. I've been noticing that I'm dropping revs too much when turning. Its comes from using just the rear brake, and since it can not cope with the power of the bike, I have to tune down the revs to keep it withing the tight turning radius.

    With the use of the front brake, the revs should stay up, and the control of the speed is done by the front and rear brake, which should be enough to tame the power of the engine without dropping RPMs too much. So the power is always there, to pick the bike back up, but you modulating the brakes to keep it within the turning radius.

    Of course this is all theory, as I still haven't managed to fully "grasp" (HAHA) the proper front braking technique, into the turn, at least the way Japanese riders do it. A few semi-successful attempts and a few drops, is as far as I got with it.

    Definitely nothing close to the amount of braking they are using, either in the pages above, or motogymkhana riding.

    I'll try to incorporate dragging front brake inside those 24 foot circles, instead of slipping the clutch. Should be an excellent practice for the right hand throttling and braking at the same time....

    I see a dropped bike in my future :cry
  3. Vulfy

    Vulfy Been here awhile

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    I think I need to open up the GP8 course a lot more. Right now its 40 feet lengthwise, as set for GP8 time comparison, but for training purposes, I need to at least double it, so I have enough mental pause between the cones, to prepare for full braking into the turn. Right now its just too tight and too strenuous to learn new techniques in it.
  4. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    I concur.

    The more I get into this the more astounded i am at the level of skill required to be even remotely competent at Motogymkhana. But. All I need is a car park to get there. Marvelous.
  5. Motogymkhanaman

    Motogymkhanaman Been here awhile

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    Thanks to Vulfy for digging out the video lessons from the Japanese Police training system. http://www.bikebros.co.jp/vb/ridetech/police/

    I think the best lesson everybody can draw from this series is the timing of the head-snap in the figure 8. You will see that the head is snapped round to point at the other pylon just as the front tyre reaches the pylon you are going round. This helps to tighten the turn and keeps everything nice and stable.

    The most astounding lesson in the series is the opposite lock 'U' turn, which I saw being demonstrated when I was last out in Japan. It blew me away then as it showed that counter-steering doesn't work only above 20mph (which a lit of schools teach) but works all the way from zero mph.


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  6. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    Got a linky for that Moto g man?

    Ignore me. it's #8
  7. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    Bassids!!! I just translated #3. "making full use of ABS!!!!"

    That will save me falling on my butt.
  8. liquid_ice

    liquid_ice Been here awhile

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    Our second gymkhana meeting was a success.

    About 20 riders

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  9. TheWall

    TheWall 0 miles and counting

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    Great photos! :clap Thanks for sharing!

    Do you mean that those are photos of *you* riding, or photos you took of someone else?
  10. Storm Shadow

    Storm Shadow Thread Ninja

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    leaned over a heep there mate
  11. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    My thoughts exacary. Commitment!
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    liquid_ice Been here awhile

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  13. Vulfy

    Vulfy Been here awhile

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    awesome! :clap
  14. Motogymkhanaman

    Motogymkhanaman Been here awhile

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    Great head-sanps there Liquid_Ice. A perfect example of how we use vision to our advantage in Moto Gymkhana.:1drink
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    liquid_ice Been here awhile

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    I didn't even know my head could turn that far :eek1
  16. Dzen

    Dzen Adventurer

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    It is nice and scary :eek1
    I've noticed to much lean but not enough steering. What d'ya think?
  17. liquid_ice

    liquid_ice Been here awhile

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    What do the others over here think?
  18. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    About the more lean than lock?
    Well, hard to say, I've never ridden a GS but if it's anything like my TDM you still have a few mm's before you hit the stops. But, it's a moot point. I can ride slow against the stops but the moment I add pace my turn opens out. I'm not brave enough to bang the bars against the stops when i'm riding a little quicker. Not co-ordinated enough, confident enough or fool hardy enough.
    I think you looked bloody good! In one of the photos it looks like your half way off the front tire so I reckon your speed is good. The only way forward is to refine the technique to tighten the turn. Hard, very hard.......
    Well done.
  19. Vulfy

    Vulfy Been here awhile

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    found this guy on YouTubes....
    Here is plenty of lean AND steering. HAHA!

    Either in Poland or Ukraine, judging from the comments. Very very impressive.

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    As for Liquid_ice, good riding. I'm pretty sure it felt a lot more intense than it looks on the tape.

    However if the bars can twist further, I say try to get them to a full stop at some point. Of course this comes from a guy who couldn't get his DRZ to twist to a full stop, so take this with a grain of something. :rofl
  20. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    :roflSounds like some guy practicing with his G/F........

    Obviously been doing it far, far longer than we have..... Looked pretty good to me!