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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Vulfy, May 6, 2012.

  1. TheWall

    TheWall 0 miles and counting

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    Good advice on overcoming riders' fear. Thanks for sharing that!

    One other reason I've heard when inviting others to come join me is that it looks like the box in the MSF training. Most riders I know really struggled with the figure-eight-in-a-box during the MSF course -- myself included -- therefore, they associate that maneuver with a lot of fear and apprehension. Drop the bike during MSF testing, and the rider coaches will, ahem, invite you to return at a later date, meaning no ticket to ride that day. Consequently, they figure that they've already passed the class; no reason to revisit that fear and apprehension again. Doing it for fun seems downright masochistic :rofl

    My take on it is, if I'm still afraid of some maneuver, then I obviously need to keep practicing. That's an area where my skills are sub-par, and therefore I need to bring them up to the standard, or better. But I'm kind of weird like that :lol3
  2. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Long timer

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    Recently I read that our inhibition on bikes when we are learning or even as we are, improving skills may stem from our in built gyroscopes. As kids & probably as cave men we learn that out limit of lean when walking, running or just reaching for something is about 20o. After that we fall over.
    Watching a learner or less confident rider that is about as far as they will go until teaching & experience re-programmes them. I know this was the case with my G/F. We did exercises which forced her to think of something different & she rode through this barrier without realising it. When she tried to do it consciously she couldn't.

    Oops, that's a bit random. As you were.

    I'm in the same boat getting other riders I know to join in. Some just outright say it's a waste of time, others have bikes that are too heavy & a few say they will give it a go but find reasons not to turn up. The guy I did my training with had to ride up onto the pavement to do a u-turn on an 8 mtr road at the beginning of the day. He finally managed to do it within the kerbs but has not practiced since. At least he turned up that day, 5 others didn't.
  3. nuggets

    nuggets It's all my fault...

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    What is tail chasing?


    This video from Ohgood deserves to be embedded:deal

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  4. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Long timer

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    :roflI just about fell off the couch when I saw that MP3.

    Doing those one handed 360's is hard too......
    Very entertaining.:clap
  5. Vulfy

    Vulfy Been here awhile

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    Leader guiding everybody through a course, and everybody is in one line chasing each other's tail.
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  6. Motogymkhanaman

    Motogymkhanaman Been here awhile

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    It's the 'U' turn or variations thereof that is by far the biggest problem effecting riders today.


    However it's not their fault that they're a problem, it's just that the teaching methods currently used are simply not sufficiently well designed to prevent riders being unhappy with doing 'U' turns.


    A 'U' turn is a fundamental and critical skill that needs to be mastered very early on in a riders career and if not, then they will always be at a terrible disadvantage. It embodies all that a rider needs to be able to do on a bike as it requires them to manage every control similtaneously as well as using their vision to advantage.


    At the moment the 'U' turn is something to be feared and once one has been achieved for a test or grant of a certificate it never needs to be visited ever again (watching all the duck-walking shows the truth of this).


    Our own GP8 Challenge is essentially two 'U' turns linked by two straights and that is why we see so many riders struggle with it the first few times they attempt it.


    The Japanese understand this fact and that is why they don't 'teach' it in the conventional sense, but instead allow riders to 'discover' it. They do this through the wonders of tail-chasing when all the students follow the master around a course made up of pylons. These courses are cunningly designed to contain tighter and tighter 'U' turns so that initially the master takes the students through the big wide one and as they get more and more experience, he takes them through tighter and tighter turns until eventually they are 'U' turning the bike without thinking. The only teaching that has been done is for the master to say to the students "follow me, do what I do and keep up".


    Compare that with the western way of teaching where the Instructor demonstartes the 'U' turn and then asks the students to attempt it, usually with disaterous results. No wonder we have so much difficulty. Unless the rider in this video had not learn't 'U' turns in this simple and non-threatening way, he would never be able to do advanced 'U' turns like this.

    http://youtu.be/VCzGo8y52Qs
  7. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    this looks like a really good challenge. I'm going to forward to buzz, our local guru that makes up our courses and see if he likes it. thanks !

    most importantly, it shows him countersteering from a standstill , which is pretty cool. don't think I've noticed that before. ill video myself to see if I'm doing it yet.

    :)
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    Before getting started with motorcycles, I spent a few years as a flight instructor and...that's brilliant. :clap
  9. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Long timer

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    That tail chasing is similar to what we did with my G/F, changing the course as she was riding so she did not get fixation on one problem, the lesson was never what she was actually thinking about but what she had done in an earlier exercise. Great way to teach!

    Hope i have not offended with my flippancy Teh Wall!!
  10. Storm Shadow

    Storm Shadow Thread Ninja

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    well i have had the cops called a few times, doing burn outs apparently, i wish i could drift the bike around a car park like im doing u turns
  11. nuggets

    nuggets It's all my fault...

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    Thanks for the clarification on the tail chasing.

    This thread continues to be full of win.

    I discovered that a giant parking lot near my house is completely free of the ol no trespassing signs. It also gets used for driver's ed, so it is often full of cones. I already did a little session there a few days ago.

    Oh yeah. :clap
  12. TheWall

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    Agreed!

    And no, Harvey -- no offense at all :) I'm enjoying this thread, and the "Braking by Nick Ienatsch" thread, immensely.
  13. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Long timer

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    Just popping in to have a cup of tea & a lie down.. The braking thread is making me tired & a tad giddy.

    Go Motogymkhana man:clap I never realised you were in the UK.

    Fascinating the assumptions people come to communicating on the t'interweb.
  14. rob1313

    rob1313 Still learning

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    Just found this thread. Thanks for the great idea!! I'll be setting a course up for my local riders come spring. This will be a great way to work the rust out of some of our skills
  15. Storm Shadow

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    across the road from my house is a lane between two sporting fields, it only gets used once a month when they do soccer or something on it, that has rear to curb parking either side, no lines, so its about 10 meters wide, and about 100 meters long, its nice new tar, but covered with gravel!

    ive been trying to talk to the local council who run a street sweeper, to do a clean up for me, but ive been told if i mention what i want it for, it will be hell complicated and they would want a traffic plan and traffic control and stuff.
  16. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Long timer

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    that must be very frustrating.
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    thistle66 Been here awhile

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    Big wide fkng broom. sweep it yourself. Won't take that long to do.
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    gas leaf blower..........
    much faster, much cleaner, much happier

    we used one mid-day after pavement started coming up

    made a HUGE difference :evil
  19. Storm Shadow

    Storm Shadow Thread Ninja

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    i was thinking of that
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