Hack buying tips needed

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by RTCHIEF, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. RTCHIEF

    RTCHIEF Been here awhile

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    1. Due to age and physical limitations I need to buy a hack. What is the best time of the year to buy a hack? What geographic areas are best to look for a rig? Looking for a BMW tug. Thinking about an 1150 - 1200 GS/R or an Lt. The second brand would be a Honda. What other marquis should I consider? What side car/tug makes a good combination ? Any and all advice would be appreciated.
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  2. FR700

    FR700 Heckler ™©®

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    Kinda like asking what to look for in a wife/partner/mistress etc.

    1. Intended usage.
    2. How often/hard will you use it.
    3. What are you willing to outlay.
    4. How much of a hosing are you prepared to take should said bonding not take.
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  3. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

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    I'm not going to touch the "best time of year" question. I live in California. It's always riding season here. As for the best tug? There's not really a best, until you start thinking about how it will be used. Unless you're planning to ride off road, you want to avoid taller GS type bikes. They're not nearly as much fun on twisty pavement! You've mentioned fairly big displacement bikes, so I'm assuming touring is in your plans?

    Edited to add... #4 above. Buying used is definitely the way to go. There are plenty of them out there, and you can save a ton of cash.

    Also, what "physical limitations"? Driving my rig long distances hurts my bad shoulder on a ride I could do twice on my GS.
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  4. brstar

    brstar Been here awhile

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    Quoting Luke

    Kinda like asking what to look for in a wife/partner/mistress etc.

    1. Intended usage.
    2. How often/hard will you use it.
    3. What are you willing to outlay.
    4. How much of a hosing are you prepared to take should said bonding not take.

      1. Oh I intended for sure

      2 Will? now who's will we talking about???

      3 Outlay??? Don't seem to have any leftover!

      4 Hosing?? 35yrs so for with no end in sight


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  5. FLYING EYEBALL

    FLYING EYEBALL out of step

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    try using the SEARCH function
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  6. cycleman2

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    You want to keep your options open when it comes to rigs as there are many good combinations out there not only from BMW & Honda. Buy one used that has been put together properly is a good place to start, and have a budget. The big GS's, properly set up are good highway rigs as they have lots of power and if equipped with electronic lean, handle well at higher speeds and in the wind. But they are a big and fairly expensive rig t0 get into. Some of the older R1100 would actually work better as you could get optional lower gearing and they are a physically smaller bike. Gearing options are limited/expensive or none existent with the 1200's.

    It really boils down to what you want to use it for, and also consider if you have any shoulder or upper body limitations, as a sidecar or trike takes more upper body strength than a 2 wheel motorcycle to ride/drive. Yes you drive a sidecar as the steering is more car like. Good luck in your search.
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  7. jaydmc

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    The most important thing is to start with a bike you like, if the bike does not "speak" to you, it is the wrong bike. Buying a well sorted used rig is the best value but it also mean that you are buying a bike that "spoke" to some one else. If it happens to be right for you, great as long at it is properly put together and well sorted.
    If you are going to put a rig together, make sure that what ever bike you go with, some one makes proper bike specific NOT universal mounting hardware and that steering modifications are made for it. It also is a good idea to go with a bike that you can either put an automotive tire on the stock rear wheel or that you can buy an automotive rear wheel conversion for the bike. Sidecars eat up rear tires, the automotive tire on the bike lasts a lot longer, has better traction, higher load capacity, runs at a lower pressure so that it gives you a better ride quality and best of all, the tire is a lot less money to buy when it does come time to replace it.
    Some parts of the country motorcycles in general are less money in the winter, Buying new at least with our sidecars the price does not change however lead times to get to be slightly less in the winter months depending on how strong the Australian market is as our winter is their summer and as such we ship more product to them.
    We offer bike specific mounts, steering modifications, automotive wheels and of course sidecars.
    I would be glad to answer any and all of your questions via the phone at 866-638-1793
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  8. usgser

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    Best time of year to buy is when you have the money. I don't think value/buy-in costs vary with the seasons. Lotsa folks ride outfits year round even in snow country. Otherwise generally fall-winter is a good time. Folks are looking for Christmas money or to pay off credit card debt from Christmas shopping. Or if a fairly new financed outfit by winter they discover they aren't riding near as much as they planned and want to get out from under the monthly payments.
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  9. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    After that FR700 answer is the best !

    Find someone who has one have them show you the problems !

    We just had a 70y/o bought a nice one and never really learn to ride it before selling.
    If you love motorcycle s you may not like a hack.
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  10. BWeber

    BWeber Been here awhile

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    I went for the big GS type rig because the are the most comfortable for me on the road.
    Once you have a SC on it you ain't going to have to pick it up or anything; I hope!

    How big is your dog?
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  11. el Pete

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    I've been casually looking at sidecars for over a year now, and I've noticed that pricing doesn't really fluctuate with the seasons like most motorcycles. California and the Northeast are expensive, the Northwest is hit or miss on pricing but seems to have some nice bikes. From reading other posts my advice would be to not get hung up on a specific bike / sidecar combo, but a well sorted outfit that floats your boat. The folks in this forum are generally helpful, and are always willing to critique a bike... :lol3
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  12. Boondox

    Boondox Travels With Barley

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    Sidecars are not so common that there is ever a buyer's market. Agree with many of the comments. Personally I find the GSA a fine tug. Plenty of power for crossing endless deserts and plains quickly, plenty of amperage for extra lights and heated clothing, unbeatable luggage capacity, and nine gallons of fuel comes in awfully handy in some parts of the country. And while you definitely will develop shoulder muscles, the width of the GS grips gives better than average leverage

    But that all comes back to the question of how you intend to use the rig...


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  13. Wolfgang55

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    Just keep in mind or keep an open mind.

    Your initial intent may fall aside after you start riding around a bit.

    Either way, side car riding is fun no matter where you go or what you actually do w/ your rig.
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  14. High Octane

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    When to buy? Right now, before you get any older.
    What to buy? Ok I'll say it before someone else does, a Ural.
    Now that we got that nonsense out of the way go get a bike you like that has a sidecar on it and have it adjusted by a professional or buy a bike you like and have Claude or some put a sidecar on it. Now.
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  15. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    Back to education !
    Heavy rigs are probably easier to learn on, there's always lots of Gold Wings and various chairs on CL use https://www.searchtempest.com/
    Shop your neighborhood.
    Sidecar rigs are easier to manage with lots of torque lots of HD rigs for sale if you like heavy cruisers, lots are overpriced.
    Old time BMW airheads are around some very nice probably not for interstate cruising. Sidecars soak up lots of power and fuel !
    What or who do you plan on hauling in the car more weight makes everything more difficult when learning.
    Trail relief for lighter steering, not a must have but usually beneficial, most of us are older ! Often requires a steering damper also.
    Professionally setups are much better (worth the money) stay away from unknown helpful guys. Sidecar setup is all subjective one mans setup up is another's crap.
    Its a less than perfect world ! Sidecars only go straight under even throttle , accelerating they pull toward chair, closing throttle and they rotate away form chair. (Its how they steer).
    Buying someone else's well sorted rig is very good , one that's badly sorted is a pain and may cost allot to get straightened out.
    Find a Ural dealer with a good reputation for setting theirs up, and get them to show you how to ride one.
    We're still waiting for you to tell us if you have a plan, then maybe we'll get some opinions !
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  16. RetiredandRiding

    RetiredandRiding Retired to Ride

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    Take a sidecar safety/licensing class if you can find one in your area. If nothing is available where you are, consider taking a long weekend and going somewhere there is one. Evergreen in Seattle does a very good job and Seattle's a great place to spend a weekend or more.


    As has been referenced above and on many other threads, it is only like riding 2 wheels in that you should wear a helmet and proper motorcycle gear because it IS possible to get knocked off one. Ask me how I know.

    There are those who will tell you that you can figure it out on your own--the same people who think the gov't is coming for their guns, mostly. They're wrong and you're the one who'll suffer when you f*ck up.

    Worst case, find a local group or individual who will take some time to show you the basics. Then practice in a parking lot or in an industrial park on a Sunday (virtually no traffic) at slow speeds.
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  17. Bar None

    Bar None Candy Ass

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    Some have bought a rig and never adapted to it or enjoyed it. You won't know until you live with one for a while.
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  18. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    What's with the OP he's offered us no communication ? Bud wouldn't stop talking and this guys shy WTF :lol3
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  19. FR700

    FR700 Heckler ™©®

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    Confirmation bias?

    Might be waiting/lurking until he/she sees a reply they like :lol2
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  20. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    You may be right ! We've all been so damn polite I can hardly stand it ! :lol3

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